David Dodd (ddodd) Mon 8 Sep 03 08:42
Loser w: Hunter m: Garcia AGDL: http://arts.ucsc.edu/gdead/agdl/lose.html LASF: http://www.whitegum.com/songfile/LOSER.HTM
Alex Allan (alexallan) Mon 8 Sep 03 21:23
Loser Lyrics: Robert Hunter Music: Jerry Garcia Copyright Ice Nine Publishing; used by permission. If I had a gun for every ace that I had drawn I could arm a town the size of Abilene Don't you push me baby, 'cause I'm moaning low And you know I'm only in it for the gold All that I am asking for is ten gold dollars And I could pay you back with one good hand You can look around at the wide world over But you'll never find another honest man Last fair deal in the country, sweet Susie Last fair deal in the town Put your gold dollars where your love is baby Before you let my deal go down Don't you push me baby, 'cause I'm moaning low Well I know a little something you won't ever know Don't you touch hard liquor, just a cup of cold coffee Gonna get up in the morning and go Everybody's bragging and drinking that wine I can tell the Queen of Diamonds by the way she shines Come to daddy on an inside straight Well I got no chance of losing this time Well I got no chance of losing this time
Robin Russell (rrussell8) Fri 27 Feb 04 08:47
I have always heard it as: "You could look around about the wide world over" "Put your gold money where your mouth is, baby" (This seems more consistent with the lyric being one side of a dialogue between the gambler and his lover.) "I know a little something you will never know" Loser is is a defining song in the Grateful Dead archetype, with another gambler facing defeat with (misguided) optimism. Eschewing the Dionysian anarchist credo that "the road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom", the protagonist counsels sobriety on the one hand and reckless adventurism on the other (buying to an inside straight is a losing strategy, as all but the most innocent of poker players know). In fact, there is a pretty strong sense that this gambler is protesting too much and that maybe the admonitions about hard liquor and the disdain for the unruly wine drinkers is born of plenty of personal mileage on that very road of excess. Is this that same Wharf Rat earlier in his career? Is there a personal history (whether imagined or otherwise) embedded in the Grateful Dead songs? Happy Trails
Lightning in a Box (unkljohn) Fri 27 Feb 04 12:12
>>>I have always heard it as: "You could look around about the wide world over" Hunter's book "A Box of Rain" has it as "can look" >> "Put your gold money where your mouth is, baby" Hunter has it as "love is, baby" >> "I know a little something you will never know" Hunter has it as "won't ever know"
Robin Russell (rrussell8) Mon 1 Mar 04 08:21
Thanks, I think that is definitive, should have got my copy out. Is someone getting the corrections identified in these discussions to Ice Nine? Happy Trails
David Dodd (ddodd) Tue 2 Mar 04 10:05
I will certainly track them for the post-copyright-expiration edition of the complete GD lyrics! Should be out in a couple hundred years...at the very latest.
Marked from the Day That I was Born (ssol) Tue 2 Mar 04 12:37
Yuck, n''yunk... Will Mickey Mouse be sticking the Ice Cream Cone in his kisser on the front cover of that edition?
David Dodd (ddodd) Tue 2 Mar 04 14:29
David Gans (tnf) Wed 24 Aug 11 10:32
Last week a fellow musician heard me sing "Loser" and asked me if I was sure about "moanin' low." He was sure that line was Don't you push me, baby, Because I'm on a loan
*%* (jewel) Wed 24 Aug 11 11:22
I always thought it was Because I'm all alone. I'm so glad he brought this up to you or I may never have learned that line. I've only been singing that song about 30 years.
David Dodd (ddodd) Wed 24 Aug 11 16:18
I always thought it was "all alone" too, until I saw it in print. "Moanin' low" is a connection to the old version of Casey Jones, right? Or something...I'll have to go read that book of annotated lyrics and try to figger it out.
David Gans (tnf) Wed 24 Aug 11 16:44
I think it means, "Don't give me any shit just 'cause I'm in a weakened state."
David Dodd (ddodd) Thu 25 Aug 11 11:45
And the phrase is also used in "So Many Roads": "Thought I heard that KC whistle moaning sweet and low / Howlin' wide or moaning low," which refers in turn to KC Moan: "Well, I thought I had heard that K C when she moan." FWIW.
*%* (jewel) Fri 26 Aug 11 10:55
I interpreted the correct text (after all these years) the way David did when I read it.
Robin Russell (rrussell8) Sun 28 Aug 11 19:29
I'm another who sang "all alone" for decades.
David Gans (tnf) Fri 20 Mar 15 19:23
KEVIN FORD asks: hello, I was wondering if you know the reference moanin' low and any history of it .. I do know it was a billie holiday song, but I'm trying to find where the term came from .. thanks
The faster we go, the rounder we get (icenine) Sat 21 Mar 15 06:13
Put me in the folks who have always heard and sang for decades: "all alone" and "put your money where your love is, baby" and "you won't never know" and one of my all-time favorite songs in the repertory, among many
David Dodd (ddodd) Fri 3 Apr 15 15:55
Wouldn't "moanin' low" simply be a description of a sound? I wouldn't think it really has an origin as a term. The fact that it's a Billie Holiday song (music by Ralph Rainger, words by Howard Dietz, published in 1929 and recorded by Holiday in 1937) is enough of a "reference," I think.
David Gans (tnf) Fri 3 Apr 15 16:48
<scribbled by tnf Fri 3 Apr 15 16:48>
David Gans (tnf) Fri 3 Apr 15 16:48
I think of it as one of those classic country-blues phrases, somehow.
Robin Russell (rrussell8) Sat 4 Apr 15 23:07
It is not listed in Barrelhouse Words (moan does get a guernsey on its own).
Perry Rice (perry) Mon 6 Apr 15 18:27
moanin low = low in volume, as in far away?
David Gans (tnf) Mon 6 Apr 15 20:10
Neither. Moanin' low as in "laid low," "feelin' low," that sort of thing.
Perry Rice (perry) Tue 7 Apr 15 14:05
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