(alexallan) Thu 11 Sep 03 00:27
Mason's Children w: Hunter m: Garcia, Weir, Lesh AGDL: http://arts.ucsc.edu/gdead/agdl/maso.html LASF: http://www.whitegum.com/songfile/MASONSCH.HTM
Alex Allan (alexallan) Thu 11 Sep 03 00:28
Mason's Children Lyrics: Robert Hunter Music: Jerry Garcia, Bob Weir, Phil Lesh Copyright Ice Nine Publishing; used by permission. Mason died on Monday We bricked him in the wall All his children grew and grew They never grew so tall before May they never grow so tall again We dug him up on Tuesday He'd hardly aged a day Taught us all he ever knew We never knew so much before We may never know so much again Mason was a mighty man A mighty man was he All he said, when dead and gone Don't you weep for me The wall collapsed on Wednesday We chalked it up to fate All his children ran and hid We never hid so well before Swore we'd never show our face again Thursday came, then Friday With fires tall and bright Mason's children cooked the stew And cleaned up when the feast was through Swore we'd never had such times before Take me to the Reaper Man To pay back what was loaned If he's in some other land Write it off as stoned
Gary Burnett (jera) Fri 12 Sep 03 13:12
I've never really known what to make of the lyrics of Mason's Children, with its hints of ritual cannibalism (I've always thought that the main ingredient in the stew was, in fact, Mason), resurrection, karmic cycles, acid dreams, etc. It's a *very* strange song, it seems to me. Sure rocks, though!
David Gans (tnf) Fri 12 Sep 03 13:25
Think "Stranger in a Strange LAnd."
Gary Burnett (jera) Fri 12 Sep 03 13:31
Hm ... maybe I'll have to reread that book ... it's probably been 35 years since I took any kind of look at it! Almost all I remember of it is "grok" and how annoying I find it when people use that word for real :-)
porn and whiskey (noah) Fri 12 Sep 03 22:22
Heh! And yet you stayed on the WELL.
Gary Burnett (jera) Sat 13 Sep 03 05:39
Even though it's sometimes a challenge! David, since I'm now somewhat Heinlein-impaired (though as a teenager I read just about everything by him), could you say a little bit more about the Mason's Children--Stranger In A Strange Land connection?
Mary Eisenhart (marye) Sat 13 Sep 03 10:53
In case David's in Fresno, I seem to recall Michael Valentine Smith being boiled in a soup and consumed by his followers after his death. Extreme grokking, or something. But admittedly Moson's Children had not yet been written when I last read that book!
David Gans (tnf) Sat 13 Sep 03 13:08
Valentine Michael Smith, but yeah.
Mary Eisenhart (marye) Sat 13 Sep 03 18:45
That's what I get for trying to remember books I read in college!
Christian Crumlish (xian) Sun 14 Sep 03 13:12
The classical antecedent is Tantalus and Pelops. There's a whole conspiracy theory about the Dead being freemason satanists, archived here http://web.archive.org/web/20030321091348/http://pub8.ezboard.com/ffreemasonry watchfrm2.showMessage?topicID=164.topic (Thank goodness for blogging. Two days after I linked to it, the Internet Archive had a copy, and now the original message board has been taken down "for privacy violations")
Christian Crumlish (xian) Sun 14 Sep 03 13:13
Actually, Robert Hunter's lyrics abound with Masonic references. First is his song "The Mason's Children". In addition there is his hit "Friend of the Devil", with the repeated refrain "A friend of the Devil is a friend of mine". In addition there is the Dead "signature" tune called "Dark Star", which is a well-known satanic reference. I could easily go ON AND ON AND ON with masonic quotes from Robert Hunter's lyrics, but you can go to any lyric site on the web and look them up yourself. I doubt you could find one song by this guy that doesn't have some kind of masonic reference in it. is a good parody of the way Dead Head's sometimes get that "we are everywhere" vibe from the most innocuous inputs, like "I heard a character on a soap opera say, 'Believe it or not'! Total Dead reference!" (channeling usenet there for a moment).
David Dodd (ddodd) Mon 15 Sep 03 09:08
That's great, Xian! "Believe it or not"--truly a sign that someone is into the Dead.
Steven Solomon (ssol) Mon 15 Sep 03 11:10
The historical, literary, lyrical, philosophical, musical lineage of certain concepts, lines of thought from the Greek Mystery Rites, Gnostics, Knights Templar, to the Masons and various and manifold off-shoots via Age o' Enlightenment are so vast and intertwined, it's hard to tell exactly where they sprang from prior to getting writ down or sung by the Dead, Hunter, Dylan, or even Ripley and the founding dads of the US o' A... well, perhaps that's part of why they called them Mystery Rites, way back when in "Pagan" Greece The words Mystery and Literary had have many meanings over the past many centuries.They all revolved or had revolve around them lyric, wit, and music. Oooops... I'm starting to channel Pythagorean devotees in a dance of twirlers.
Brian Penney (bpenney) Wed 24 Sep 03 10:58
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Brian Penney (bpenney) Wed 24 Sep 03 11:02
yeah. hunter's lyrics are handcuffs to me. the more it clicks the furthur i go and the tighter it gets.
Marked from the Day That I was Born (ssol) Wed 24 Sep 03 13:24
... and the rounder it gets, the faster it goes, and...
Randy Woodall (greyphenix779) Mon 29 Sep 03 08:07
Sometimes I hear Hunter's words differently than the official version, but they still seem to make sense. One of the examples from Mason's (admittedly, possibly just of mishearing or overanalyzing if that's possible - I'm not sure it is!) is the line "Take me to the Reaper man" heard, punningly, as also being take me to the Repo Man. That they didn't always seem to be singing the same thing at the same time, helps.
Randy Woodall (greyphenix779) Mon 29 Sep 03 08:10
As for the cannibalism references in Mason's, has anybody seen the film Fellini's Satyricon? Although it's been years since I've seen it and this may be the same story of Telymachus that someone else has already cited.
Randy Woodall (greyphenix779) Mon 29 Sep 03 21:25
I said Telemachus, what I meant was Tantalus and Pelops... Sorry about that, I'm rusty on my Greek mythology.
Marked from the Day That I was Born (ssol) Tue 30 Sep 03 07:22
My uncle, then a Harvard Professor, took me to see Satyricon when I was 12 or 13. Possibly ruined my life ;-) My Mom was outraged when she found out where we were. I dug the film (I've seen it a couple times since it came out on video), but don't get the connection to Satyricon. Am I being dense, or is just the cannibalism reference?
Randy Woodall (greyphenix779) Wed 1 Oct 03 20:04
I now think I overreached looking for a Satyricon connection; there probably is none other than that one scene (and free-association.) In my defense I was also thinking about The Barbed Wire Whipping Party at the time I posted. ...Pretty strange "lyrics" there.
Marked from the Day That I was Born (ssol) Thu 2 Oct 03 08:29
Yup! Thanks for the email and food for thought and reflection.
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