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permalink #51 of 71: Robin Russell (rrussell8) Thu 19 Nov 09 10:53
    
The first one into the pool after the Angel's ripple was cured, so the
story goes.
  
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permalink #52 of 71: David Dodd (ddodd) Mon 4 Oct 10 14:24
    
Posted on behalf of Martin Aboitiz:

Here are a couple of notes on "Ripple" for you or your text as you see
fit.

The ripple is observed "When there is no pebble tossed / Nor wind to
blow", so what causes the ripple?.  It expresses the same sentiment as
the Zen koan, "what is the sound of one hand clapping"  Very fitting in
the structure of a haiku as you point out.

"And if you go no one may follow", yet  "You who choose to lead must
follow", so do we follow or not?, is there or is there not a ripple?.  
Is there actually a path?  The path might be the ripple, just as
ephemeral and hard to follow.


Martin Aboitiz
  
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permalink #53 of 71: Robin Russell (rrussell8) Tue 5 Oct 10 17:58
    
Great! That thought provoking post led me to reflect a bit more on
"You who choose to lead must follow" and the first legibile thought
that came into my head was Dylan's "You're gonna have to serve
somebody".

I see the verses making two different points: Verse 4 that every
individual has a different path to enlightenment; Verse 5 that the
journey is through paradox and illusion, "it's got no signs or dividing
lines and very few rules to guide".

One thing is for sure, that rippled water runs deep.
  
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permalink #54 of 71: David Gans (tnf) Wed 6 Oct 10 09:15
    

"You who choose to lead must follow" is excellent advice to an
improvisational musician, too, come to think of it.
  
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permalink #55 of 71: David Dodd (ddodd) Fri 13 May 11 09:52
    
Posted on behalf of Rich Binell:

David,
I've been fascinated by your annotations of Dead songs.
My favorite is Ripple.
So I've thought about it quite a bit.

I'm wondering if you've considered these two things:

"And my tunes were played on the harp unstrung."
Don't you think that the "harp unstrung" is a harmonica?

And

"Let it be known, there is a fountain, that was not made by the hands
of men"'

Now what's weird about this is that your Ripple page mentions
Coleridge's Kubla Khan.
However.
You ignore the fountain in the Coleridge poem.
And it seems to be the same fountain as the one in the song.

Compare

As if this earth in fast thick pants were breathing
A mighty fountain momently was forced:

and

"Let it be known, there is a fountain,
that was not made by the hands of men"'


This is the poem:

In Xanadu did Kubla Khan
A stately pleasure-dome decree:
Where Alph, the sacred river, ran
Through caverns measureless to man
Down to a sunless sea

So twice 5 miles of fertile ground
With walls and towers were girdled round:
And there were gardens bright with sinuous rills
Where blossomed many an incense-bearing tree;
And here were forests ancient as the hills
Enfolding sunny spots of greenery

But oh! that deep romantic chasm which slanted
Down the green hill athwart a cedarn cover!
A savage place! as holy and enchanted
As e'er beneath a waning moon was haunted
By woman wailing for her demon-lover!
And from this chasm, with ceaseless turmoil seething
As if this earth in fast thick pants were breathing
A mighty fountain momently was forced:
Amid whose swift half-intermitted burst
Huge fragments vaulted like rebounding hail
Or chaffy grain beneath the thresher's flail:
And 'mid these dancing rocks at once and ever
It flung up momently the sacred river
Five miles meandering with a mazy motion
Through wood and dale the sacred river ran
Then reached the caverns measureless to man
And sank in tumult to a lifeless ocean:
And 'mid this tumult Kubla heard from far
Ancestral voices prophesying war!

The shadow of the dome of pleasure
Floated midway on the waves;
Where was heard the mingled measure
From the fountain and the caves
It was a miracle of rare device
A sunny pleasure-dome with caves of ice!

A damsel with a dulcimer
In a vision once I saw:
It was an Abyssinian maid
And on her dulcimer she played
Singing of Mount Abora
Could I revive within me
Her symphony and song
To such a deep delight 'twould win me
That with music loud and long
I would build that dome in air
That sunny dome! those caves of ice!
And all who heard should see them there
And all should cry, Beware! Beware!
His flashing eyes, his floating hair!
Weave a circle round him thrice
And close your eyes with holy dread
For he on honey-dew hath fed
And drunk the milk of Paradise

(After reading Samuel Purchas’s Pilgrimage; Coleridge’s masterpiece
arrived to him suddenly in an opium dream. )

I'm not sure of all the images in Kubla Khan, or what all of it means,
but I hope this stirs some thought.
Kind regards,
rich

--
Rich Binell
  
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permalink #56 of 71: David Gans (tnf) Fri 13 May 11 10:02
    

> Don't you think that the "harp unstrung" is a harmonica?

Least poetic interpretation EVER!   :^)
  
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permalink #57 of 71: Anton Prenneis (anton) Mon 17 Oct 11 17:13
    
> "When there is no pebble tossed / Nor wind to blow", so what causes
the ripple?.

Earthquake? Or some other source, subterranean or otherwise, that
makes the ground shake.
  
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permalink #58 of 71: Steve Biederman (sbied) Tue 18 Oct 11 17:19
    
Transcendence.
  
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permalink #59 of 71: Robin Russell (rrussell8) Tue 18 Oct 11 19:14
    
Right, and the ripple indicates that the pool is activated.
  
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permalink #60 of 71: coal will turn to gray (comet) Wed 19 Oct 11 21:47
    
No causation 
  
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permalink #61 of 71: David Dodd (ddodd) Thu 20 Oct 11 12:57
    
Right--"no causation." That's my take, too. Or the same causation as
caused everything, caused the universe, caused the "fountain, that was
not made by the hands of men."
  
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permalink #62 of 71: Robin Russell (rrussell8) Thu 20 Oct 11 16:15
    
Everything is connected to everything else, and we are made of
stardust.
  
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permalink #63 of 71: David Dodd (ddodd) Fri 17 Feb 12 09:04
    
Posted on behalf of Tim McCreight:

[...]

As the subject line says, my topic is 'Ripple.' More specifically, it'
s that line about 'between the dawn and the dark of night.' As with so
many of the notes included on the page, it's probably my favorite Dead
song because I find it at once both humble and inspirational in a
comforting sort of way. I suppose that means any of us can read
whatever we want to into it. There's a whole post-modern thing about
'the text' that could be gone into here but  I'll leave that to a
professional.

Because, really, I'm just a professional stumbler and when things
cross my path I see and make connections. And so this line leapt out at
me when it came as the epigram to, of all things, an investment
newsletter:"And the choice goes by forever, ’twixt that darkness and
that light.."

The line, it turns out, comes from a poem by James Lowell (of those
Boston Lowells who talk only to God) entitled 'The Present Crisis"
which served as the basis for a hymn, "Once to Every Man and Nation."
Wikipedia says that none other than Martin Luther King, Jr. would quote
it (t's a little vague as to whether he quoted the poem or the hymn).

So the thought was out there in the collective, poetic unconscious.
And it suddenly strikes me that none of this may be news to you. You
may know Robert Hunter personally. You may know enough about him to
make an informed guess as to whether the hymn or MLK was bouncing
around his brain. 

As I said, my path is to wander and connect. And sometimes I take a
chance and share a connection with someone I think might get it. You
are no doubt pestered by legions of the Band's acolytes. I have my own
history with the Dead. Let's just say that  in stumbling it's possible
to reconcile a lot of disparate strands and that punk may no be that
different from psychedelia.

[...]

Sláinte,

Tim McCreight
  
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permalink #64 of 71: David Gans (tnf) Wed 28 Aug 13 12:43
    

This is from an email exchange with Mark Ballora, who does the
"sonifications" of information form the cosmos and from inside the human body
for Mickey Hart:



They asked me one time about the nature of cosmic microwave background
radiation.
I'm not a scientist (even though they say I am on their web page), but I have
a basic understanding of it.

So I found myself telling them that
CMB is the remains of vibrations
from that initial wave in acoustic plasma that was the universe
... and what remains now is a ...
lingering ripple in the still water of space, where there is no pebble tossed
or wind to blow.

I knew Hunter was in tune when he wrote those words.
Did even he know he was THAT in tune?
  
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permalink #65 of 71: perry rice (perryrice) Wed 28 Aug 13 12:45
    
no pebble tossed = quantum vacuum fluctuations....

Hmmm. Could be!
  
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permalink #66 of 71: Brett Wilbur (silentscream) Fri 6 Sep 13 20:04
    
ELP had a song called "Take a Pebble."

"just take a pebble and toss it in the sea, then watch the ripple as
it unfolds into me."  

I think it might be the same sentiment.
  
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permalink #67 of 71: lottashmoos (lottashmoos) Sat 14 Sep 13 00:23
    
I wonder if the traditional analyses of the more spiritual songs may
not be specific enough. Pebbles in the sea and what that means for you
is great and all, but this song, and especially "eyes of the world,"
are about something a bit subtler.

The human heart is so simple, yet so hard to grasp. Nobody gets it
save for a few nuns/monks here and there (really, a few, as in a few
every hundred years... robes are great, but most are still seeking
cultural myth and magic). 

And so it's almost intuitive that every so-often "they" come, and
nobody listens, and it fades away like the soft of the night, so quiet.
 So quiet.  

Think about it.  If a buddha or the Christ really said what they said,
than why did the horror of Rome continue for over two thousand years?

But who are they? A dude in a dark suit with a book? A guy with robes
and a sullen attitude? Oh come on. If it was ever the real thing, it
would have been fun, right? 

Well, yes indeed. It did happen, and we got a hundred microphones to
prove it, including my uncle bob who was there before I was born and
they still had the portal(I'm talking sunny san-francisoco my firend).

God bless you Dead. It of course has proven much longer and stanger
than you or the drunken "twirlers" realize, god bless them (and love
them, and the Sufis etc).  

By twirlers I mean the ones who turn up to dance. For love, that is,
and that is a remarkable thing be it in a temple of worship or in a
grimy stadium in fuckin chigaco.

I hope all this can be more open some day. Whatever they are, they
only emerge here and there in humanity. If only it were more. What if
they came into our houses for good?

Bernard
  
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permalink #68 of 71: lottashmoos (lottashmoos) Sat 14 Sep 13 01:22
    
ooooooooooh...,   me were driujk the,]n
  
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permalink #69 of 71: lottashmoos (lottashmoos) Sat 14 Sep 13 01:23
    
reallly drallly drnunk
  
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permalink #70 of 71: David Gans (tnf) Sat 14 Sep 13 12:36
    
Welcome to the WELL!
  
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permalink #71 of 71: David Dodd (ddodd) Tue 17 Sep 13 16:37
    
Ha. Yes, what <tnf> said.
  



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