David Dodd (ddodd) Tue 2 Sep 03 15:14
Estimated Prophet w: Barlow m: Weir AGDL: http://arts.ucsc.edu/gdead/agdlestimate.html LASF: http://www.whitegum.com/songfile/ESTIMATE.HTM
Alex Allan (alexallan) Tue 2 Sep 03 19:42
Estimated Prophet Lyrics: John Barlow Music: Bob Weir Copyright Ice Nine Publishing; used by permission. My time coming any day, don't worry 'bout me, no Been so long I felt this way, I'm in no hurry no Rainbows end down that highway where ocean breezes blow My time coming, voices saying, they tell me where to go Don't you worry 'bout me--oh no no, don't worry 'bout me, no And I'm in no hurry--oh no no no, I know where to go California, preaching on the burning shore California, I'll be knocking on the golden door Like an angel, standing in a shaft of light Rising up to paradise, I know I'm gonna shine My time coming any day, don't worry 'bout me, no It's gonna be just like they say, them voices tell me so Seems so long I felt this way and time sure passing slow Still I know I lead the way, they tell me where I go Don't you worry 'bout me--oh, no, no, don't worry 'bout me, no And I'm in no hurry--oh, no, no, no, I know where to go California, a prophet on the burning shore California, I'll be knocking on the golden door Like an angel, standing in a shaft of light Rising up to paradise, I know I'm gonna shine You've all been asleep, you would not believe me Them voices telling me, you will soon receive me We're standing on the beach, the sea will part before me Fire wheel burning in the air You will follow me and we will ride to glory Way up in the middle of the air And I'll call down thunder and speak the same And my words fills the sky with flame And might and glory gonna be my name And men gonna light my way My time coming any day, don't worry 'bout me, no It's gonna be just like they say, them voices tell me so Seems so long I felt this way and time sure passing slow My time coming any day, don't worry 'bout me, no Don't you worry 'bout me--oh, no, no, don't worry 'bout me, no And I'm in no hurry--oh, no, no, don't worry 'bout me, no And I'm in no hurry--oh, no, no, no, I know where to go [etc]
David Gans (tnf) Fri 24 Oct 03 15:16
Bob Weir tells of the creation of "Estimated Prophet" int he Poughkeepsie Journal: http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/entertainment/li102403s1.shtml Performed live, "Estimated Prophet" captured all of Weir's onstage ego but also gave Garcia a set of chord progressions against which he could deliver the goods as the signature soloist he was. The genesis of this song can be traced back to one of the thousands of anonymous hotels where the Dead have stayed while on the road over decades. "When we were traveling, we'd go through the Bible," Weir recalled. "You would pull out the Gideon Bible. During dull moments - you break out the Bible and read that." One night after the show and post-show parties had ended, after everyone had gone to bed, Weir got a phone call in his hotel room. "It's Jerry," Weir said, laughing. "He said, 'Hey man, read this. Tell me what you think of this.' " Garcia had stumbled across the books of Daniel and Ezekiel in the Old Testa- ment and was apparently so jazzed by what he had read that he felt compelled to share them with Weir. Both were dazzled by the passages, narratives that Weir believed were relay- ing, in part, the journeys of alien beings to Earth during Biblical times. "You get into some pretty hairy stuff ... four floating heads, wings, sur- rounded by a wing of fire," Weir said of the Bible. Inspired, Weir shared the passages with his lyricist, John Perry Barlow, and the result became a staple of live performances for nearly two decades, in addition to the opening track on the Dead's 1977 album, "Terrapin Station." "Standing on the beach/The sea will part before me, (Fire wheel burnin' in the air)," go the lyrics. "You will follow me/And we will ride to glory, (Way up, in the middle of the air.) And I'll call down thunder and speak the same/As my words fill the sky with flame./Might and Glory's gonna be my name./They gonna light my way."
in anothers time's forgotten text-box (xian) Tue 28 Oct 03 15:43
Or, as one of my college friends insisted, "Martin Corey gonna be my name."
fractured parables (comet) Tue 28 Oct 03 20:33
Bob singing about standing in a shaft of light while standing in a shaft of light is about as funny as it gets.
David Dodd (ddodd) Thu 30 Oct 03 16:23
Yes! I always enjoyed that.
Mary Eisenhart (marye) Thu 30 Oct 03 17:30
Just so he doesn't start levitating in mid-chorus...
Robin Russell (rrussell8) Tue 9 Mar 04 08:00
Embraceable contradiction and pointed ambiguity resonate in the title, "Estimated Prophet". Estimate has a variety of meanings, including repute, esteem, without actual measurement and gauge. Accordingly, the prophet may be of doubtful authenticity or the real thing, may be crowned and hailed or still awaiting judgement. Indeed, a post-modern prophet. Happy Trails
Bryan Miller (bamfinney) Tue 10 Oct 06 15:58
When and where was the first Estimated played?
beneath the blue suburban skies (aud) Tue 10 Oct 06 18:00
looks like 2-26-77 Swing Auditorium, San Bernadino (quick search at setlist.com)
Robin Russell (rrussell8) Wed 11 Oct 06 08:09
In Java, a fake shaman is known as a "dukun palsu". I have always associated the term with Estimated Prophet.
Bryan Miller (bamfinney) Wed 11 Oct 06 15:42
Ah, you use setlists.com. I've been using deadlists.com but the song search thing is down. Thanks.
Bryan (bamfinney) Wed 11 Oct 06 15:45
A fake shaman? Hmmm...That would put a different spin on the song for me. Even though its "Estimated" Prophet, that song has always had a semi-serious meanign for me. But I know Bobby's big on not taking it too serious. Perhaps I'll post the paragraphs I've been working on for this beautiful song. What the hell, I'll do it.
Bryan Miller (bamfinney) Wed 11 Oct 06 15:50
Robin Russell (rrussell8) Wed 11 Oct 06 17:16
Very telling quotes assembled in the opening: Garcia: I dont know why it works. I just know that it does. It works because we think it will, probably. Garcia: Everything like that works because the people involved in it believe that it will work. The Belief system gives form, and the energy has some channel through which to work, and somehow it works . In a way, what were trying to do might be the most efficient way to do things, considering the reality of the way some things really are. These are the perspectives of a Shaman, a Trickster who believes that, while the corporeal universe may be entirely consistent with the "laws of nature" it is not entirely governed by them. Further, whose acts are informed by that belief with a view to some fine tuning.
Bryan Miller (bamfinney) Wed 11 Oct 06 17:47
Maybe the Grateful Dead IS the Estiamted Prophet, in the way that "Yes, we're going somewhere...It seems quite glorious when we've had glimpses of it here and there...but we have no idea where it is, what it'll really be like, what is really IS like, or what part we play in actually getting there. Hell, it might be just leading us on...having fun with us as we have fun with it. It might lead nowhere at all, but it sure has personality!"
Marked from the Day That I was Born (ssol) Wed 11 Oct 06 19:17
Quite literally, as I've heard the story, there was a dude, likely a legion of them before him, that came to offer at the Temple of The Befuddled and Befuddling. Such was the origin of that particular ditty. "What do we make of this individual who senses meaning where we cast confusion with delight?" The Story Teller will not tell whoops, another song, perhaps? I recall a looping gate in some tune, and a story that never resolves, where something is rising or settling into the embers of a fire that has always burned in Human imagination. Dang, how I love how boss weird EP got at its best. What a trip well outside the music and into my heart and mind. Those guys! Jeez!!! I got to be inside a Grateful Dead concert, maybe a few times or more. I am a lucky boy.
Robin Russell (rrussell8) Wed 11 Oct 06 19:50
My take is that the key may be in the repeated phrase "My time coming any day". For millenia, every prophet who has bet on that has lost. Further clues that the artists (whether composers, band or singer or, better, all three) do not identify with the narrator they portray, the Estimated Prophet, lie in the exposure of a range of other manifestations of hubris. You've all been asleep, you would not believe me Them voices telling me, you will soon receive me You will follow me and we will ride to glory For millenia these utterances have been markers of false prophets, of Dukun Palsu. Now it might be argued that the voice in the last verse is different to the original narrator - that it is, in fact, the voice of God, or of some other cipher for the organising principle of the universe. But it seems to me that is not the case, that the narrator is the Estimated Prophet throughout.
Bryan Miller (bamfinney) Thu 12 Oct 06 04:11
"But you and I we've been through that/and this is not our fate/So let us not talk falsely now/the hour is getting late." Can it be that every Dead tune is a laughing contradiction of this? I don't think so. (Just to mix it up a bit.)
Bryan Miller (bamfinney) Thu 12 Oct 06 14:18
That last might post have been out-of-kind. I guess I'm searching for something real, and I keep reading Gans "Conversations" and the members of the Dead keeping saying not to take it all so seriously. But dang gone it! It's the Dead I want to take seriously, not work, not religion, not politics,not this crazy stupid world, but the Dead. And then they say, "Hey, we're just here to play music, man. We're no Savior to be sure!" Ah, well. The ins and outs of life. Gotta love when ya can!
Marked from the Day That I was Born (ssol) Thu 12 Oct 06 18:39
Indeed. Love when you can. It is the only logical solution. By my dim lights, it surely ain't religion nor politics, but that just my take.
Robin Russell (rrussell8) Thu 12 Oct 06 20:35
I don't see any problem taking Grateful Dead seriously, but I bear in mind that they were Trickster Musicians. That doesn't restrict them to practical jokes by any means.
Bryan Miller (bamfinney) Fri 13 Oct 06 03:52
Yeah, I was reading that interview in Gans with Parish, Jerry, and Phil, and it seemed like a very tight group that sometimes had to protect themselves from poeple that wanted in for less than lovely reasons. Seems they sometimes had to create a hard exterior shell, to protect the soft inner heart from unknowing wolves of sorts. But on that soft inside, they sure seemed to have fun playing each other and buddying up like like. I guess a hall of mirrors isn't so bad when all you see around you are friends. You don't really feel like you find the way out. You can just plop down on the floor and laugh.
David Gans (tnf) Sun 15 Oct 06 07:39
There were plenty of hard hearts and damaged souls inside the perimeter, too. Some of that hard exterior shell was nothing more complicated than insecure people protecting their turf.
Marked from the Day That I was Born (ssol) Sun 15 Oct 06 14:01
>That doesn't restrict them to practical jokes by any means< Those folks were not restricticted to practical jokes, any more than they were restricted musically. They worked, at times, as hard on the serious as the absurd. They covered a lot of territory, by my reckoning. In this, they did sometimes master a sort of form of practical joke (in a treble-meaning sense of the term) on a broad stage in many dimensions. The "joke" was useful, informative, and friggin' hilarious, imho. If you are in this space, I know you have smiled that goofy smile when you got that joke or another one just like the other one. That is my best guess, anyhow.
Bryan Miller (bamfinney) Sun 15 Oct 06 18:19
(tnf), I'm really enjoying "Conversations" and am getting quite the education. Thanks for taking the time to collect all that. (ssol), I think I've caught myself with that smile here and there. It feels devious, secretive, and outlandishly absurd all at the same time. I smile even bigger when I notice I'm smiling in that way!
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