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permalink #0 of 24: (alexallan) Wed 10 Sep 03 23:36
    
Althea 
w: Hunter m: Garcia
AGDL: http://arts.ucsc.edu/gdead/agdl/althea.html
LASF: http://www.whitegum.com/songfile/ALTHEA.HTM
  
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permalink #1 of 24: Alex Allan (alexallan) Wed 10 Sep 03 23:37
    
Althea 
Lyrics: Robert Hunter
Music: Jerry Garcia

Copyright Ice Nine Publishing; used by permission.

I told Althea I was feeling lost
Lacking in some direction
Althea told me upon scrutiny
That my back might need protection
I told Althea that treachery
Was tearing me limb from limb
Althea told me, now cool down boy
Settle back easy, Jim

You may be Saturday's child all grown
Moving with a pinch of grace
You may be a clown in the burying ground
Or just another pretty face
You may be the fate of Ophelia
Sleeping and perchance to dream
Honest to the point of recklessness
Self-centred to the extreme

Ain't nobody messin' with you but you
Your friends are getting most concerned
Loose with the truth, maybe its your fire
Baby I hope you don't get burned
When the smoke has cleared, she said
That's what she said to me
You're gonna want a bed to lay your head
And a little sympathy

There are things you can replace
And others you cannot
The time has come to weigh those things
This space is gettin' hot
You know this space is gettin' hot

I told Althea, I'm a roving sign
That I was born to be a bachelor
Althea told me, OK that's fine
So now I'm trying to catch her
Can't talk to you without talking to me
We're guilty of the same old things
Thinking a lot about less and less
And forgetting the love we bring
  
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permalink #2 of 24: Gary Burnett (jera) Fri 12 Sep 03 13:18
    
I've always heard Althea, in part, as Hunter's concerned message to
Jerry: "Ain't nobody messin' with you but you."
  
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permalink #3 of 24: David Gans (tnf) Fri 12 Sep 03 13:27
    
That's for sure.  I think a lot of Hunter's GD lyrics can be read as letters
to the band or from the scene.
  
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permalink #4 of 24: Lightning in a Box (unkljohn) Sun 14 Sep 03 08:15
    
Your friends are getting most concerned!
Absolutely.
  
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permalink #5 of 24: Steven Solomon (ssol) Sun 14 Sep 03 11:59
    
Yup.

Not a tune performed by the GD, but Hunter's "Last Flash of Rock and
Roll" has that line; "you messed up the lyrics and called it the
blues".

When I heard that first, back in 75(?), it gave me a clue to look for
more such messages tossed over the transom to the band and Garcia, but
still wide open to other interpretations and for minds/ears that had
never heard of the Grateful Dead.
  
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permalink #6 of 24: David Gans (tnf) Sun 14 Sep 03 12:03
    

>you messed up the lyrics and called it the blues

"You blew the words and called it soul
But we all fall a little short of rock'n'roll."


That's a grat song.
  
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permalink #7 of 24: David Gans (tnf) Sun 14 Sep 03 12:03
    
A great one, too.
  
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permalink #8 of 24: Steven Solomon (ssol) Sun 14 Sep 03 12:20
    
Thanks for the "fact checking" ;-)
  
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permalink #9 of 24: Christian Crumlish (xian) Sun 14 Sep 03 12:28
    
doesn't scully make a fairly good case (even considering the source)
that althea kind of addresses the "big chief burning moccasin" phase of
jerry's earthly existence? though i realize "maybe it's your
fire/[but] baby, [i hope you] don't get burned" is not intended - for
the most part - literally.
  
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permalink #10 of 24: from EMILY ODOM (tnf) Wed 18 Aug 04 10:14
    



Emily Odom writes:


How fitting, reading your earlier responses, that “Althea” could be taken as
advice for Jerry, considering “Althea” means healer, and truth.  A fitting
role for Hunter to take in advising Jerry. 
  
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permalink #11 of 24: Marked from the Day That I was Born (ssol) Wed 18 Aug 04 17:46
    
Messages across the void in music, rhyme and rhythm. I can't think of
too many songs that seem so directly aimed at Garcia from Hunter. That
Garcia made them his own seems to reinforce his complex but essential
honesty in his art.
  
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permalink #12 of 24: Christian Crumlish (xian) Thu 19 Aug 04 06:38
    
Fire on the Mountain seems similar in that regard. There's at least
one other that can be read that way - let me rack my brain some
  
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permalink #13 of 24: David Gans (tnf) Thu 19 Aug 04 08:06
    

I think there are any number of Hunter lyrics that can be read as reports
from Deadland, and/or messages to Garcia.

"Foolish Heart" strikes me as one such.
  
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permalink #14 of 24: David Dodd (ddodd) Thu 19 Aug 04 08:10
    
Messages to Garcia!
http://www.birdsnest.com/garcia.htm
  
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permalink #15 of 24: David Gans (tnf) Thu 19 Aug 04 08:28
    
Ah, so that is the source of the phrase!
  
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permalink #16 of 24: Marked from the Day That I was Born (ssol) Thu 19 Aug 04 11:59
    
Wow!
  
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permalink #17 of 24: Robin Russell (rrussell8) Fri 20 Aug 04 10:48
    
David D you are a Charles Fort of GD arcana. Bless you!
  
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permalink #18 of 24: David Dodd (ddodd) Fri 20 Aug 04 11:47
    
Just in case that reference makes anyone wonder:

Charles Fort (1874-1932) fancied himself a true Skeptic, one who opposes all
forms of dogmatism, believes nothing, and does not take a position on
anything. He claimed to be an "intermediatist," one who believes nothing is
real and nothing is unreal, that "all phenomena are approximations one way
or the other between realness and unrealness." Actually, he was an anti-
dogmatist who collected weird and bizarre stories.

Fort spent a good part of his adult life in the New York City public library
examining newspapers, magazines, and scientific journals. He was looking for
accounts of anything weird or mysterious which didn't fit with current
scientific theories.
  
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permalink #19 of 24: Marked from the Day That I was Born (ssol) Sat 21 Aug 04 10:13
    
I believe that Whole Earth pubs has a great little book, "The Fortian
Times" that gives an great insighgt into Fort's stuff.

I believe? Can I say that in connection to anything Fortien ;-)
  
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permalink #20 of 24: David Gans (tnf) Sun 22 Aug 04 14:06
    
I thknk it's spelled "Fortean."
  
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permalink #21 of 24: Marked from the Day That I was Born (ssol) Wed 25 Aug 04 07:45
    
Yes. Thanks.
  
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permalink #22 of 24: Christian Crumlish (xian) Wed 25 Aug 04 13:16
    
'for two, it-is'-ly  this time spellin played protein vs procrustean
obscurin nawt the meanin, fortune ate lee.
  
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permalink #23 of 24: David Dodd (ddodd) Wed 25 Aug 04 15:00
    
Who was Lee? Poor Lee!
  
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permalink #24 of 24: Robin Russell (rrussell8) Thu 26 Aug 04 08:39
    
Inspector Lee, of the Nova Police, thawed Jimmy Joys. I quartersawed
it diffidently.
  



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