(alexallan) Wed 10 Sep 03 23:36
Althea w: Hunter m: Garcia AGDL: http://arts.ucsc.edu/gdead/agdl/althea.html LASF: http://www.whitegum.com/songfile/ALTHEA.HTM
Alex Allan (alexallan) Wed 10 Sep 03 23:37
Althea Lyrics: Robert Hunter Music: Jerry Garcia Copyright Ice Nine Publishing; used by permission. I told Althea I was feeling lost Lacking in some direction Althea told me upon scrutiny That my back might need protection I told Althea that treachery Was tearing me limb from limb Althea told me, now cool down boy Settle back easy, Jim You may be Saturday's child all grown Moving with a pinch of grace You may be a clown in the burying ground Or just another pretty face You may be the fate of Ophelia Sleeping and perchance to dream Honest to the point of recklessness Self-centred to the extreme Ain't nobody messin' with you but you Your friends are getting most concerned Loose with the truth, maybe its your fire Baby I hope you don't get burned When the smoke has cleared, she said That's what she said to me You're gonna want a bed to lay your head And a little sympathy There are things you can replace And others you cannot The time has come to weigh those things This space is gettin' hot You know this space is gettin' hot I told Althea, I'm a roving sign That I was born to be a bachelor Althea told me, OK that's fine So now I'm trying to catch her Can't talk to you without talking to me We're guilty of the same old things Thinking a lot about less and less And forgetting the love we bring
Gary Burnett (jera) Fri 12 Sep 03 13:18
I've always heard Althea, in part, as Hunter's concerned message to Jerry: "Ain't nobody messin' with you but you."
David Gans (tnf) Fri 12 Sep 03 13:27
That's for sure. I think a lot of Hunter's GD lyrics can be read as letters to the band or from the scene.
Lightning in a Box (unkljohn) Sun 14 Sep 03 08:15
Your friends are getting most concerned! Absolutely.
Steven Solomon (ssol) Sun 14 Sep 03 11:59
Yup. Not a tune performed by the GD, but Hunter's "Last Flash of Rock and Roll" has that line; "you messed up the lyrics and called it the blues". When I heard that first, back in 75(?), it gave me a clue to look for more such messages tossed over the transom to the band and Garcia, but still wide open to other interpretations and for minds/ears that had never heard of the Grateful Dead.
David Gans (tnf) Sun 14 Sep 03 12:03
>you messed up the lyrics and called it the blues "You blew the words and called it soul But we all fall a little short of rock'n'roll." That's a grat song.
David Gans (tnf) Sun 14 Sep 03 12:03
A great one, too.
Steven Solomon (ssol) Sun 14 Sep 03 12:20
Thanks for the "fact checking" ;-)
Christian Crumlish (xian) Sun 14 Sep 03 12:28
doesn't scully make a fairly good case (even considering the source) that althea kind of addresses the "big chief burning moccasin" phase of jerry's earthly existence? though i realize "maybe it's your fire/[but] baby, [i hope you] don't get burned" is not intended - for the most part - literally.
from EMILY ODOM (tnf) Wed 18 Aug 04 10:14
Emily Odom writes: How fitting, reading your earlier responses, that Althea could be taken as advice for Jerry, considering Althea means healer, and truth. A fitting role for Hunter to take in advising Jerry.
Marked from the Day That I was Born (ssol) Wed 18 Aug 04 17:46
Messages across the void in music, rhyme and rhythm. I can't think of too many songs that seem so directly aimed at Garcia from Hunter. That Garcia made them his own seems to reinforce his complex but essential honesty in his art.
Christian Crumlish (xian) Thu 19 Aug 04 06:38
Fire on the Mountain seems similar in that regard. There's at least one other that can be read that way - let me rack my brain some
David Gans (tnf) Thu 19 Aug 04 08:06
I think there are any number of Hunter lyrics that can be read as reports from Deadland, and/or messages to Garcia. "Foolish Heart" strikes me as one such.
David Dodd (ddodd) Thu 19 Aug 04 08:10
Messages to Garcia! http://www.birdsnest.com/garcia.htm
David Gans (tnf) Thu 19 Aug 04 08:28
Ah, so that is the source of the phrase!
Marked from the Day That I was Born (ssol) Thu 19 Aug 04 11:59
Robin Russell (rrussell8) Fri 20 Aug 04 10:48
David D you are a Charles Fort of GD arcana. Bless you!
David Dodd (ddodd) Fri 20 Aug 04 11:47
Just in case that reference makes anyone wonder: Charles Fort (1874-1932) fancied himself a true Skeptic, one who opposes all forms of dogmatism, believes nothing, and does not take a position on anything. He claimed to be an "intermediatist," one who believes nothing is real and nothing is unreal, that "all phenomena are approximations one way or the other between realness and unrealness." Actually, he was an anti- dogmatist who collected weird and bizarre stories. Fort spent a good part of his adult life in the New York City public library examining newspapers, magazines, and scientific journals. He was looking for accounts of anything weird or mysterious which didn't fit with current scientific theories.
Marked from the Day That I was Born (ssol) Sat 21 Aug 04 10:13
I believe that Whole Earth pubs has a great little book, "The Fortian Times" that gives an great insighgt into Fort's stuff. I believe? Can I say that in connection to anything Fortien ;-)
David Gans (tnf) Sun 22 Aug 04 14:06
I thknk it's spelled "Fortean."
Marked from the Day That I was Born (ssol) Wed 25 Aug 04 07:45
Christian Crumlish (xian) Wed 25 Aug 04 13:16
'for two, it-is'-ly this time spellin played protein vs procrustean obscurin nawt the meanin, fortune ate lee.
David Dodd (ddodd) Wed 25 Aug 04 15:00
Who was Lee? Poor Lee!
Robin Russell (rrussell8) Thu 26 Aug 04 08:39
Inspector Lee, of the Nova Police, thawed Jimmy Joys. I quartersawed it diffidently.
David Dodd (ddodd) Mon 29 Sep 14 16:42
Last week on dead.net, I posted about "Althea." It's been quite a conversation in the comments. Worth a read! http://www.dead.net/features/greatest-stories-ever-told/greatest-stories-ever- told-althea
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