David Dodd (ddodd) Wed 3 Sep 03 12:56
Here Comes Sunshine w: Hunter m: Garcia AGDL: http://arts.ucsc.edu/gdead/agdl/hcsu.html LASF: http://www.whitegum.com/songfile/HERECOME.HTM
Alex Allan (alexallan) Thu 4 Sep 03 19:15
Here Comes Sunshine Lyrics: Robert Hunter Music: Jerry Garcia Copyright Ice Nine Publishing; used by permission. Wake of the flood, laughing water, forty nine Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreaming, get out the way Get out the way Chorus Here comes sunshine Here comes sunshine Line up a long shot, maybe try it two times, maybe more Good to know you got shoes to wear, when you find the floor Why hold out for more [chorus] Asking you nice now, keep the mother rolling, one more time Been down before, you just don't have to go no more No more [chorus]
Lightning in a Box (unkljohn) Tue 6 Mar 07 05:00
I was listening to an early version of this in the last day or two, and I swear Garcia sang lapping water instead of laughing water.......
Bryan Miller (bamfinney1) Tue 6 Mar 07 09:07
I always thought it was "get out the of paths/don't just stand there dreaming." "Pans" makes much better sense for the gold diggin' implications. I pictured people standing there amazed and mesmerized at the coming, flooding sunshine all around, and Jerry saying "Get out of the way, don't just stand there dreaming. DANCE!" Funny how we get those words "wrong" but can still come up wiht meanings that make good sense. "Lapping water" would make sense too, in certain aspects. "Here, hold this but whatever you do, for God's sake don't drink it!" ;-)
Christian Crumlish (xian) Tue 6 Mar 07 09:24
I think the pans refers to having to bail water.
Lightning in a Box (unkljohn) Tue 6 Mar 07 10:45
I thought so too, which is why lapping water actually made more sense to me than laughing water....
Bryan Miller (bamfinney1) Tue 6 Mar 07 15:33
bail water, or sift gold out of water from the '49 gold rush?
Christian Crumlish (xian) Wed 7 Mar 07 08:27
it's a nice double entendre, sure. i think hunter was talking about a flood in 19 49, but he'd be the last to limit anyone's interpretation of his words.
Bryan Miller (bamfinney1) Wed 7 Mar 07 13:27
Oh, a flood! taht would explain the "wake of the flood" thing. Ha! where was this flood? And now I'm trying to fit the 2nd and 3rd stanzas into a flood scenerio, keeping in mind, of course, that most likely a literal flood is not the only thing in mind here.
Tim Lynch (masonskids) Thu 8 Mar 07 02:07
Actually the flood happened in 48. http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~cchouk/vanport/
Robin Russell (rrussell8) Thu 8 Mar 07 07:41
Could this be a reference to WH Auden's The Enchafed Flood published in 1949? In the Amazon listing for this book, reviewer firstname.lastname@example.org claims it is "a dead-on key to the lyrics of They Might Be Giants". Where giants go, might not Hunter? Enchafed means furious, excited, irritated (OED). 1604 Shakespeare, Othello, II. i. 16, "I neuer did like mollestation view On the enchafed flood."
Bryan Miller (bamfinney1) Thu 8 Mar 07 16:45
If this is a ref. to a flood the second and third stanzas have not yielded a thing to me toward understanding their place in the story. I guess if I wrote it I'd understand exactly what I meant, maybe. Have you read Auden's book? In my twisted mind I thought this song was a ref. to the "flood" of entheogens (or whatever you like to call them) in the 60s (Oh, for a walk in that Orange Sunshine!). The "wake" being the rippling movements of that onslaught of mind-benders taht this album was celebrating. In this interp., the "laughing water" is that full body, gushing, swirling, watery high. The ref. to "49" gold rush and "sunshine" is the golden feeling and notion of being "on top of the world." "Don't just stand there dreaming" (obvious reference there), "get out the way": make room for those who are risking all to plunge into the depths of this experience. Don't become wall-flower too easily. There's a lot to explore here and we need to link up and go together, you and I while we still can. The second stanze would be something like trying to get to the point of this deep exploration. "OK, let's try this again. See if we can get this "long shot" to pay off. Once your shoes are on the floor, once you've found your "sea legs" why ask for anything "more." You've got everything you need dissolving on your tongue. "Here comes Sunshine!" third stanza would be a plea to keep the thing going, keep it rolling, keep it moving. Allow it to have it's own life on its own terms. You don't have to come back you know, "You just don't have to go no more." It's a voluntary thing. Now that you're here, let's move with it. "It's too late to stop now!" "Here comes Sunshine!" However, Box of Rain (94): "(Remembering the great Vanport, Washington flood of 1949, living in other people's homes, a family abandoned by father; second grade)".
Robin Russell (rrussell8) Fri 9 Mar 07 06:41
I have ordered the Auden book, will report back in due course. A reviewer on Amazon UK called it "an indispensible [sic] sourcebook for understanding Frank Black's first album." However, the Box of Rain notes certainly point in a different direction.
Bryan Miller (bamfinney1) Fri 9 Mar 07 07:20
Yeah, Hunter, when he was in the 2nd grade, remembers these fragmented thoughts and feelings about living with other families during that flood, and one that was abdoned by their father? Whoa. Early childhood memories are tricky to say the least. Why was Hunter living with that other family? Was their hourse destroyed in the flood? I'll google the Vanport, WA flood and see what comes up. BTW, who is Frank Black?
Bryan Miller (bamfinney1) Fri 9 Mar 07 07:21
Oh, wait, duh. <Masonskids> already provided a link in #9. I've got to be more observant. Thanks Tim.
Bryan Miller (bamfinney1) Fri 9 Mar 07 07:23
NOw, Tim's link calls for Oregon, not WA, as the location of Vanport.
Bryan Miller (bamfinney1) Fri 9 Mar 07 07:33
Just a few quotes from that article from Tim: "Because of extraordinary heavy spring runoffs, Vanport was fifteen feet below Columbia River water level by the end of May 1948. On Memorial day the dike broke. A wall of water wiped out the town, leavning almost 20,000 without homes and an estimated fifteen people dead.... [Vanport was] the largest public housing project ever built in the United States." Wake of the Flood came out in '73 only 25 years after this flood (I don't know when Hutner actually penned the words for Here Comes Sunshine). That flood was a pretty recent event for '73, a very vivid memory for those that did escape.
Bryan Miller (bamfinney1) Fri 9 Mar 07 07:39
"public officials led the population to believe that the damage would be slight, and in both cases the government response to the disaster was harshly criticized. Many have attributed the poor response, in both cases, to racist attitudes on the part of officials, who allegedly neglected to respond appropriately to the destruction of heavily-black communities." "On the morning of Memorial Day on Sunday, May 30, 1948, the Housing Authority of Portland issued the following statement: REMEMBER: DIKES ARE SAFE AT PRESENT. YOU WILL BE WARNED IF NECESSARY. YOU WILL HAVE TIME TO LEAVE. DON'T GET EXCITED. At about 4:17 PM the western (railroad) dike burst, sending a ten foot tall wall of water into the area of Vanport College. Because of the numerous sloughs and backwaters in the area, the progress of the flood was delayed about 30 minutes, giving residents more time to escape. An emergency siren began to sound shortly after the initial breach, and residents began to head up Denver Avenue to higher ground. At the time of the flood, the population of Vanport was down to about 18,500 people. Because of the holiday, many residents were away from their homes for the day. These factors contributed to the low loss of life: there were only sixteen deaths. Nonetheless, the city was a complete loss." <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanport,_Oregon>
Bryan Miller (bamfinney1) Sat 10 Mar 07 16:05
Something else I was thinking about: "laughing water"--this phrase is certainly not the townspeople's perspective, but the perspective of the flood, happily crashing through every un-natural barrier (the dam)to live out its watery being.
Bryan Miller (bamfinney1) Sun 18 Mar 07 16:58
It don't mean no harm.
Christian Crumlish (xian) Wed 28 Mar 07 06:54
Frank Black is the lead singer and protagonist of The Pixes, one of the greatest bands of the '90s, recently re-formed. They are probably too harsh / acerbic / noisy for a lot of old-school Deadheads but their music yields up many rewards once it becomes familiar enough for the initial gloss of noise to become listenable-through.
Christian Crumlish (xian) Wed 28 Mar 07 07:04
Pixies, not Pixes
Scott MacFarlane (s-macfarlane) Wed 28 Mar 07 08:50
"Doolittle" is a cool Pixie CD with uplifting tunes such as "Wave of Mutilation" and "Gouge Away." "This Monkey's Gone to Heaven"is my favorite. When they came to Phoenix, we bought tickets from some guy on the street out front. Though there was no moshing, we were directed to the mosh pit. With a full house there was no moving back. Ouch. Both of us left TTF deaf for a few days. Xian's right, they're definitely both harsh and listenable with interesting lyrics and compelling tunes.
Gary Burnett (jera) Thu 29 Mar 07 14:43
Indeed. The Pixies were great.
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