Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Tue 16 Jan 01 11:00
(David, don't you think Baudrillard really ought to get out more?)
Howard Rheingold (hlr) Tue 16 Jan 01 14:27
Hi there, kidz! What are your favorite tools. Which ones do you use a lot and love to work with. And why?
David Hudson (davidhudson) Wed 17 Jan 01 02:29
Jon: Absolutely. <g> Hi, Howard!
Elisa Rose (gunafa) Wed 17 Jan 01 11:27
David, to answer to "there is no more future, trapped as we are now between what Baudrillard calls 'the impossibility of anything's being over and...the impossibility of seeing beyond the present.'" ok, maybe, but it is like that: the present just gets more attention than the future, and the past never ever wants to leave us no more. I dont know if/when there was ever a time before like that. who has the historical knowledge we would need here? the future was all in the focus since recently, and now the present wants more presence. concerning "the impossibility of anything's being over", I mean even the past changes when it gets uploaded into the now. there is always much discussion about opposites - black and white and so on. past and present or future and present would fit into that, too. but maybe future & past & present are beyond that in the ensemble, sort of triadic. Stefan Weber came up with that word in the book "private://public". these three times plus realtime are four then. More like a circle/time spiral stopping in realtime than a linear way. seeing into the future is nothing new, seeing into the present is more of a new behaviour for me. And to "The end of history means the launch of reality's syndication as endless reruns."- We talk about that in the book, too - with Bazon Brock. He thinks we all go into an endless recycling loop of art and information. I dont think so. Even if lots of stuff look too much the same, there are still many ways to do something unique. Its maybe too soon to make a more objective statement, in a few years we should talk about that again. And to "Your take seems to be the much more fun one; to accept this state of affairs, to enjoy it, to riff on it, to turn it into art. Yes?" Yes, I personally am not a big fan of negativity and principal critizism, cause it stops actions too fast. This happens with netart now, and happened with electronic music before. Someone decides "this is netart" and so everything else should fall out. But what if that person is wrong. How often in history did an art critic say, that something was not avantgarde, but it was. Its a difficult point. For me as an artist I try not to stick too much to all opinions I hear, if they would make me stop working. I want to listen to my sort of inner voice and my feelings I have, when I produce something. I normally know, if something looks different, than I wanted it. (Soundz like a typical female statement, I know) Anyway, it it is fun, David, that for you that attitude comes out as one of fun, enjoyness,... So I could hide my self-doubt very well, right? ;-) A good question is what to turn into art. I believe every artist has very strict rules on that, me included. So on one side I try to put daily topics into my art, on the other side I want it to be beyond daily experiences. Again difficult decisions included. And now back to Jon: I'm interested, Elisa, in whether there's an ideological aspect to your work, or do you think of yourselves as apolitical? I dont see myself as apolitical. i think not working in an advertizing agency these days and not producing cooperate design for commerce is already political. But the problem here is, that as artists as we are (audio-visual) we are not fit enough in words. So there are persons who are a lot better in that. And basically you have to be like that to act politically. As the art in our case wants a word-less composition, talking is on the other end. Its hard to "workout" in both. I would like to be better in making precise definitions, but I am really more a visual person. When I try to describe something, I try to translate images. I think there is some discussion going on on that in nettime right now. Even if nettime is about art, too, I would say 95% of the postings are not by artists, but by theorists. So others seem to have a similiar situation. Its really a problem, because its important to hear artiststalk about art, and let not only curators and journalists describe a movement. But do you see a solution on that? does anyone think, too - that art and theory should meet? I mean culture is quite political, because it forms. this is what will stay. when you look at a certain decade, century you see and hear it, dont you? And Howard, hi!! ;-) my favorite tools change again and again. right now I love firewire, the powerbook on accu and my DV-set up. In and out direction --> MIDI-keyboard, synched with Gary. Thats my No1. set up right now.
Gary Danner (danner) Wed 17 Jan 01 11:36
Hi Howard ! Making music, I play (i woulden´t use the word "work" here, as Tim Leary almost threw me out of his house when asking, after seeing his bureau, do you work HERE?) with Steinberg sequencing software, namely Cubase VST/24 5.0. And, which becomes more and more important, with plug ins. Either as software synths or effects by companies Native Instruments (Berlin) and Cycling74 (San Francisco). Recently, I tend to do all the soundshaping and sampling on the computer, leaving the racks of samplers, effects and synths in their flightcases more and more disconnected ! I think, in the future more or less all of the music-making will be done on the HD exclusively. And, it´s so very convenient to play live with a powerbook (in my case an iBook), where you carry all your studio with you, strapped over your shoulder. Only 1 year ago, when performing live, I had to rent a minibus to carry all the samplers, mixer, synths etc. to the venue to play for one hour. Now you plug the iBook into the PA, and off we go ! And in the hotelroom, you work on improvements of the songs over headphones the night before the gig.
Webcast 129 LIVE (gunafa) Wed 17 Jan 01 11:51
<IMG SRC="http://www.stationrose.com/SF-street.jpg"> coming up at 9pm CET (Frankfurt) = in 10min here Webcast 129. Live from the gunafa-studio. at <http://www.stationrose.com>
Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Wed 17 Jan 01 12:13
I'm there! dotcom or deadcom! If folks in the webcast audience who are not members of the WELL want to post messages here, send 'em to firstname.lastname@example.org. I'll try to paste 'em in right away.
Station Rose (gunafa) Wed 17 Jan 01 12:42
yeah, email@example.com is in the newsletter we try to make it a bit longer tonite. not stop at 10pm its quite intense to have a combination of inkwell and webcasting.
Gail Williams (gail) Wed 17 Jan 01 12:43
Whew! Looks great in the newsletter, by the way. Hello, Station Rose fans!
Elisa Rose (gunafa) Wed 17 Jan 01 12:50
Hi Gail, nice to see you!! ;-9 did you switch on your realvideoplayer already?
Gail Williams (gail) Wed 17 Jan 01 13:02
Hi Elisa, I hear some sounds like electric crickets and drums! (Unfortunately at work, i have to take off the headphones for a meeting pretty soon.) I like the jungle you're making. Hi, frogs.
Gail Williams (gail) Wed 17 Jan 01 13:04
Images like a throbbing freeway overpass, pulsing like an artery over and over.
freeway overpass (gunafa) Wed 17 Jan 01 13:08
and the freeway overpass is sampled and remixed san francisco.
Cynsa Bonorris (cynsa) Wed 17 Jan 01 13:19
gunafas! I can't believe blasthaus closed down. I think they couldn't live without you....
playing there 1 month ago (gunafa) Wed 17 Jan 01 13:34
live, and then reading it was closed because a new business tower wants to stand there instead is not easy to imagine.
Gail Williams (gail) Wed 17 Jan 01 13:43
A minute ago a 50 Mile Per Hour speed limit sign went by doubled in a moving inkblot.
Hans Romanov (jonl) Wed 17 Jan 01 13:45
he elisa + gary, you know Im really a bloody beginner, its just wonderful to see, being connected conferencly. now I have to get in your discussion, perhaps later I will say more from my small parisian homespace. good luck and kisses hans romanov, paris.
Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Wed 17 Jan 01 13:46
I saw a reversed speed limit sign... hour per miles 05!
Gary Danner (danner) Wed 17 Jan 01 13:54
You are so wonderful, all of you ! Hans, glad you made it ! Jon and Gail, the reversed speed sign was "Dylan´s homesick blues" treated by a sampler, maybe ... Hey Cyns, I fear we gunafa´d them right outta business... Dotcom & Deadcom, the STR basement tapes.
Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Wed 17 Jan 01 14:14
Elisa Rose (gunafa) Wed 17 Jan 01 14:20
the webcast went on for 110 minutes!! normally we do 60min. playing live gets really exhausting, but the combination of the webcast and inkwell is so special, really great. next week we can do that again! And Hi Hans!! Great to see you here. Yeah, we rock on- line
Are We Really? (really) Wed 17 Jan 01 15:27
Hi Station Rose... Are We Really? here and there... I am on my way over to stationrose.com...
Are We Really? (really) Wed 17 Jan 01 15:34
You know... I just don't like RealPlayer. I always have trouble connecting. I clicked the link at stationrose.com with no luck so I typed in the url www.stationrose.com/live.ram and still can not connect.
Are We Really? (really) Wed 17 Jan 01 15:35
Oh well... maybe I was late.
Station Rose (gunafa) Wed 17 Jan 01 16:26
you were too late. we stopped (02:20 PM). in the meantime you can click on some rm.files <http://www.stationrose.com/Realvideofiles/realvideofiles1.html>
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