inkwell.vue.113 : Katie Hafner: The Well-A Story of Love, Death, and Real Life in the Seminal Online Community
permalink #351 of 379: Gail Williams (gail) Wed 10 Oct 01 18:57
    

> many of us took rather angry
>  exception to and which naturally led to speculation about hypothetical
>  personal events in grandma's own childhood -- which resulted in more
>  angry postings from grandma.

Don't you hate when arguments sprial out like that?  What a disaster.
  
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permalink #352 of 379: Rip Van Winkle (keta) Thu 11 Oct 01 10:42
    
I kind of think that Mark/grandma/mymark could find a way to become an
outcast in any social setting.  But at the same time, there is a place
and a validity, even to that.  

What a hard row to hoe -- to take on the job of reminding those who
take "belonging to the group" for granted that there are always those
who are left out.

I've been reading recently about the history of "twelve-tribe nations"
as one of the archytypical forms of social organization that appears
over and over in different parts of the world.  One interesting point
is that very often the pattern evolves in a way so that a 12-tribe
grouping consists of 11 actual extant tribes and one "lost tribe" -- a
social placeholder, recognition that even the most inclusive collective
endeavour is still missing something or someone.  You see this also in
astrology -- the concept of the "12th house" has to do with all that
has been exiled, lost to living memory.

Regarding <330> and <332>, and the plausability of there being "a
crazy person involved in the founding of..." -- well, it seems to me
there was *always* a crazy person involved in the founding of anything
and everything in the '60s.  There was always at least someone (usually
both gifted and troubled) for whom it didn't all play out along lines
they could follow...  Such people were sometimes just pathetic or
disagreeable, and other times, passionately in touch with something the
rest of us couldn't quite see.  To me, it seems important to remember
them, because they remind us how messy and unclear and different
beginnings are from continuations and from endings.
  
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permalink #353 of 379: Bob 'rab' Bickford (rab) Thu 11 Oct 01 11:30
    

  Oh, there's nothing implausible about *some* "crazy person" being
involved in that -- my skepticism was specifically about *this* person
(MES) being involved.  I wonder if <tnf> has had a chance to check
with Wavy yet.....
  
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permalink #354 of 379: David Gans (tnf) Fri 12 Oct 01 09:26
    
No, I have not.  I have been on vacation and then scrambling to meet
deadlines before going on the road, where I am now.
  
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permalink #355 of 379: Bob 'rab' Bickford (rab) Fri 12 Oct 01 12:44
    

  I hope the stress level is staying as low as possible for you!
Being on the road can be quite wearing.....
  
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permalink #356 of 379: Linda Castellani (castle) Mon 15 Oct 01 15:50
    <scribbled by castle Mon 15 Oct 01 23:02>
  
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permalink #357 of 379: Bob 'rab' Bickford (rab) Mon 15 Oct 01 16:16
    

  Was that really necessary, Linda?   Sheesh.
  
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permalink #358 of 379: Linda Castellani (castle) Mon 15 Oct 01 23:07
    <hidden>
  
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permalink #359 of 379: Linda Castellani (castle) Mon 15 Oct 01 23:10
    

rab, you're right.  I ask you not to attack Mark, and you have shown
remarkable restraint.  So I think it's only fair to hide Mark's e-mail in
which he takes a shot or two at you, and which I reposted because I
inadvertently snipped the first line of it when I originally posted it and
was removing the header info.

You might want to take a peek and see if adding the first line makes a
difference to you.
  
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permalink #360 of 379: Daniel del Solar (dsolar) Mon 15 Oct 01 23:31
    
peace in the kingdom
is
possible
they say
  
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permalink #361 of 379: Gail Williams (gail) Tue 16 Oct 01 10:03
    
Thanks, Linda.

So much relative restraint around here that the movie version will have 
us all in handcuffs.  Here's to that persistent dream of peace, respect 
and outspoken dissent all around.  
  
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permalink #362 of 379: Rip Van Winkle (keta) Tue 16 Oct 01 10:39
    
Apologies if this is made clear elsewhere, but what kind of "death"
does Katie intend title of her book to refer to?
  
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permalink #363 of 379: Rafe Colburn (rafeco) Tue 16 Oct 01 10:40
    
 The literal death of Tom Mandel.
  
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permalink #364 of 379: Bob 'rab' Bickford (rab) Tue 16 Oct 01 16:42
    

  {shrug}  The first line just confirms my interpretation, but I'm not
going to waste time by engaging in further rounds of "Did too!" "Did not!"
here.  Perhaps someone who cares will come up with some way to document
their interpretation and memory of the history; I'm satisfied that my own
memories are accurate but don't really care enough to continue the debate.
  
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permalink #365 of 379: Bryan Higgins (bryan) Tue 23 Oct 01 15:15
    
Good.
  
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permalink #366 of 379: Mike Godwin (mnemonic) Wed 20 Feb 02 20:44
    

February 20, 2002

Matthew Lyon, 45, Historian of the Internet

By THE NEW YORK TIMES

Matthew McTee Lyon, co-author of a history of the Internet, died on Saturday
on a visit to Seattle. He was 45 and lived in Berkeley, Calif.

Mr. Lyon, an assistant vice chancellor of the University of California, died
apparently of a heart attack, the university said.

He and his wife, Katie Hafner, wrote "Where Wizards Stay Up Late: The
Origins of the Internet" (Simon & Schuster). First published in 1996, it
remains in print.

Mr. Lyon was born in Willimantic, Conn. He graduated from Hampshire College
in Amherst, Mass.

He held a number of positions in journalism and was a speechwriter and
director of national issues for Representative Richard A. Gephardt, Democrat
of Missouri, before joining the University of Texas as an assistant to the
president. He was named assistant vice chancellor for public affairs at
Berkeley in January 1999, responsible for media and government relations.

Besides his wife, a reporter for the Circuits section of The New York Times,
survivors include their daughter, Zoe; his parents, Richard and Denny McTee
Lyon of Austin; and two brothers, Jeremy, of Coos Bay, Ore., and Alexander,
of Austin.

Copyright 2002 The New York Times Company | Privacy Information
  
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permalink #367 of 379: Scott Underwood (esau) Wed 20 Feb 02 20:52
    
My condolences.
  
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permalink #368 of 379: It's all done with mirrors... (kafclown) Thu 21 Feb 02 06:10
    
Oh, that's awful. 45!

I'm so sorry.
  
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permalink #369 of 379: David Gans (tnf) Thu 21 Feb 02 10:06
    
Oh my god, that is terrible.
  
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permalink #370 of 379: Howard Rheingold (hlr) Thu 21 Feb 02 10:29
    
I'm so very sad to hear this.
  
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permalink #371 of 379: Gail Williams (gail) Thu 21 Feb 02 10:36
    

This is all so sad.  People have been expressing condolences and sending 
beams in the <news.> conference since we heard yesterday, too.

Comfort and strength to Katie and to all his loved ones.
  
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permalink #372 of 379: Bob 'rab' Bickford (rab) Thu 21 Feb 02 11:28
    

  Sympathies.....
  
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permalink #373 of 379: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Thu 21 Feb 02 11:37
    
  
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permalink #374 of 379: democracy being a left thing, anyway (ludlow) Thu 21 Feb 02 12:00
    
  
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permalink #375 of 379: David S. Greene (dsg) Thu 21 Feb 02 12:11
    
  

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