Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Wed 11 Dec 02 14:01
> realizing that there was no earthly way I could ever read all of > them. I mean, good lord, Jane Yolen alone is doing more than her share to make that impossible. I think she said at WFC that she'd just published her 250th book or something!
Mary Roane (the-roane) Wed 11 Dec 02 21:23
And she does it on purpose, too so you'll never catch up, Pamela. I love all these recommendations! Just finished Jonathan Carroll's White Apples--*loved* it. A whole lot. Now reading Niccolo Machiavelli's The Prince, which I wish I had read before I read Mike's Dragon Waiting, which you should go buy, and get Growing Up Weightless while you're at it, and save on shipping....if amazon.co.uk has it, which I'm not sure of, but get it anyway. Sorry--was trying to see how many "which's" I could get in there, rather like a 19th century production of MacBeth. Listening to "Brainwashed" by George Harrison compulsively. These are some of the best, most personal lyrics he's ever written, and the guitar playing is brilliant, superb, in a class by itself, genius, heartbreaking, eloquent, incomparable. It does not suck. Dodge--what did you think of Nightwatch? I'm dying to read it. Neil--Congratulations! I'm so proud of you! And I'm so glad that you're happy with the way the film has turned out. I look forward to seeing it. Please write about all the tech stuff that happens now--I'm really curious about this stage of post-production. We won't be bored. Promise!
John M. Ford (johnmford) Wed 11 Dec 02 23:38
Mary -- Florence King to That Other Guy sounds like what, in my longago days as a DJ, we called "an interesting segue." And WEIGHTLESS never had a British edition, so Amazon UK isn't any more likely to have it than US, or your friendly neighborhood SF shop or used book store. It had three US editions: a limited hardcover from Easton Press (signed, with an art plate and an interesting introduction by James Gunn, and insanely expensive -- one of those Franklinminty books that are designed to impress people who are not actually book collectors), and trade and rack-size paper from Bantam. (Briefly, Bantam changed their corporate minds about doing the book in hardcover, so the editor got the Easton deal.) Re IL PRINCIPE . . . when I was in the SCA (also quite long ago) my character was a remittance-man scholar of no fixed address (an ancestor had collected a big ransom at Agincourt and bought his way into the upper classes) who, by means too complicated to explain, ended up as godfather to little Nicky Machiavelli.
Tara O'Shea (uisgejack) Thu 12 Dec 02 09:51
I've mostly been re-reading lately. Picked up Cherryh's "Angel With a Sword" (which just gets better every time I read it) a while back, and that lasted me a week or two of an hour before bed reading. Before that, I think I re-read some Chandler. Can't rememebr which ones. Let's see... new books? My friend David just gave me my Christmas present early--Joey Pants' autobiography, "Who's Sorry Now", the first 100 pages of which I greedily devoured last night. I'm doling out de Lint short stories like sweets from "Tapping the Dream Tree" and I think I polished off "Waifs and Strays" within days of getting it. I picked up "Fall of Kings" at WindyCon, and enjoyed it tremendously, tho I admit, I dug the first 2/3rds more than the last 1/3rd. I'm going to read "Night Watch" next week-end when I go down to visit the rents in Florida. I got it for my Judy for her birthday, and will read her copy as I am too broke to get my own for a while *lol*. (my own damn fault too--I really need someone to manage my money for me and only dole it out in grocery-bill sized amounts). I'm hoarding the Year's Best Fantasy & Horror, and the Green Man anthologies to take down with me for Christmas. I tend to power through about 10 books over the week at my folks for one main reason: that's my idea of a perfect vacation. Time to read. of course, the aprt where they live in the middle of nowhere and I can't drive a car so there's nothing *else* to do might have something to do with it as well... Pamela: I am madly in love with Maguire. I read "Confessions..." first and then "Wicked" and I can't wait to read his latest, "Lost," once I can get it in trade. (will probably hit the Books-a-Million down in Florida-la too)
Dodge (hnowell) Thu 12 Dec 02 14:51
Mary, I had a hard time getting into Night Watch because the blurb was depressing. But I had to persevere and assume that TP would surely not let Vimes down like that! It showed a lot of people we have grown to know and love around AM when they were young. Like teens. Vetinari. Young Vimes. The Watch. The city. The insane ruler (and how he died etc). And all the little details that filled in all the little questions from the sketchy details we once had. (Especially funny is the picture of the guy who "is" the head of Assassins Guild now. Downey(?) In the "Now" we think of at least.) TP plays fast and loose with the time loop thing. It was very well done and you have to make careful note, as is usual with anything he writes, with the details. I must read it again to get the full benefit of all it's mind-boggling effects. As usual.
CHRISTY SMITH writes... (tnf) Thu 12 Dec 02 16:01
From Christy Smith: Hey, lookit this! Just a few days after Neil mentions the _Cleveland Plain Dealer_ in the journal, my brother's talking about comics in a front-page article (http://www.cleveland.com/business/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/business/1039694 112259380.xml ; current front page PDF: http://www.cleveland.com/frontpage/pdfs/today.pdf) in that worthy publication. And interviewed by the same reporter, too! Of course, reading this article right after reading Neil's "tulip craze" essay puts me a little ill at ease. ("In many cases," states the article, "the new buyers are not comics fans, just business people.") But hey, it's their money. Are there any Ohioans here who might save me a copy? Neil, I second the congrats on how well the film is going! And I agree with Mary; it is cool hearing about what happens after the film is put together. It reminds me of the original idea of the journal, when you were describing what happens to a book after it's written. So you're lookin' all hirsute and Sasquatch-like now, are you? Funny, I had just been wondering if you'd found time to get a haircut yet. Hmm... maybe you should leave it that way until you finish your new Shadow story. It's kind of a tradition. ;) Do you think you might make that side trip to Scotland between finishing the dub and coming back here? Of course, I'll admit I'll be breathing easier once you're safely back in the States (probably partly because you've still got presents from me waiting for you), but I was just wondering if that was still in your mind. Pam -- Now I'm curious as to what your friends said to him. What would _Eddie Izzard_ find bizarre!? :D _My_ favorite stand-up comic (Christopher Titus) was on _Twilight Zone_ last night. Yay! Yay! "Booboisie" -- Hee hee! Mencken was quite the wit. Patricia -- Oh, yeah, that sounds familiar now. Thanks for the proxy answer! (I think someone ought to do that for the poor lady who asked the last question on the _Coraline_ topic a month ago. :) ) Good to hear from you, and happy birthday to your daughter! (And yay for calico kitties!) DanGuy -- Thanks for the conference review. And I second the suggestion of new Xander pics! Patricia again -- Way to get people talking! Tara -- Christmas vacations are wonderful for reading! It was last year while spending a week off at my dad's that I read most of _Smoke & Mirrors_... and fell totally in love. And here I am. Christy
"Et toi" is French, and so you're a crack muffin. (madman) Thu 12 Dec 02 16:10
Here's a random piece of research that I'll bet people here could save me a lot of time on. What are the original sources for the Lucifer story? Samael, war in heaven, and so forth?
Mary Roane (the-roane) Thu 12 Dec 02 16:57
Mike--Was that ancestor's name Pistol? ;-) I have the trade paperback edition. Someday I'm going to make you sign it. And you were a DJ? Is there anything you haven't done? And both of those authors are smart, funny, entertaining, and make you think. That's all I ask ;-) Dodge--I need to reread all of PTerry. It's been too long since I started reading him, and I know what you mean about watching the details. I am so looking forward to Nightwatch! madman--Good question. There's some Babylonian mythos in there somewhere, isn't there? What sources was Milton working from for Paradise Lost, 'cause that where the ideas seem to have coalesced. Hmmmm.....must go do internet searches sometime when I'm not late for work.......bye, y'all!
Itinerant Bad Boy (stagewalker) Thu 12 Dec 02 17:33
Madman - Well, the idea of a third of heaven falling comes from Ezekiel, I think. I'd look it up, but everything I own (except for my computer, some disks, and my toothbrush) is currently in boxes.
"Et toi" is French, and so you're a crack muffin. (madman) Thu 12 Dec 02 18:08
Isiah, actually. Huzzah for Asimov's Guide to the Bible!
"Et toi" is French, and so you're a crack muffin. (madman) Thu 12 Dec 02 18:21
To my amusement, a google search on "Samael Lucifer" turns up in roughly equal measure stuff about Satan/Lucifer, stuff proving that the Masons worship Lucifer, and stuff based on the Sandman version of Lucifer. The name Samael doesn't seem to be in the Bible. Asimov's book states that by New Testament times, the Jews had a fully developed myth of Lucifer's rebellion, stating that they refused to bow to Adam, since they were made of Light and he of clay. (He goes on to speculate that they may have been inspired by the Greek stories of the defeat and inprisonment of the Titans. I'll aside to note that Hyperion and Paradise Lost are both damn cool poems.) I don't know where I might find that story, though.
Patricia Clarkson (pclarkson) Thu 12 Dec 02 19:57
Christy: I called a local grocery store a few minutes ago and a Plain Dealer is being held for me. If you e-mail your address to firstname.lastname@example.org, I will send it out to you. Since Erynn left Cleveland, I believe that Jen, Angelina and myself are the only ones here from Ohio. (Ophelia and Velvetraisin, are you about?) As we are now approaching the post limit, will we continue?
"Et toi" is French, and so you're a crack muffin. (madman) Fri 13 Dec 02 00:04
I have found the Book of Enoch. So much seems to come from this. I just found this line: Remiel, one of the holy angels, whom God set over those who rise. Ah, it's good when a search bears fruit.
Daniel (dfowlkes) Fri 13 Dec 02 07:06
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Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Fri 13 Dec 02 09:36
DanGuy - Eating lots of KFC? Patricia - Shall we continue? How can we not? It is time to start voting on a new name, however. Maybe, Wellies in the Walls?
Maure Luke (maureluke) Fri 13 Dec 02 12:47
I've become the Annoying Links Girl. But this is funny, I thought -- advice for those of us who are thinking of learning the Japanese language. http://www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~thoureau/japanese.html
who? me? (stet) Fri 13 Dec 02 13:34
That is funny, though he owes Dave Berry royalties.
Christy Smith (jonl) Fri 13 Dec 02 17:21
Email from Christy: Dan -- Just like a true geek, unpacking your computer before all else! :D "Wellies in the Walls" -- I like it! Or maybe "Wolves in the Well." Yep, we've just GOTTA continue the Barking Mad Libs; we can't stop now, when I'm so close to getting a membership! And again, I'll direct all y'all's attention to Post #9 in this topic, from the long-absent Linda: >Neil's last post in the last topic contains the seeds of the title of the next topic: Son of the Bride of Topic 73. When we get close >to filling this one up, would you please remind me, someone? Patricia -- The address is on its way! Thanks so much! Madman -- Bet I come across that sometime soon. I recently started reading the Apocrypha. Also reading (since I never did answer that question): Neil's _Gods & Tulips_ Reading time will suffer until after the holidays, I'm afraid. Christy NP: MP3s from Abney Park's forthcoming album, _Candles and Fog_. Dang, this guy is good!
Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Sat 14 Dec 02 12:42
Abbess, Davey, how were the Future Bible Heroes? And Abney Park in Stoke Newington is where we filmed all the naked ladies in my movie. (Well, they don't look very naked in the finished article. But they were very cold.) Stagewalker -- i think a lot of directing is saying "Er, okay, I think it's time to move on now." (I have canvassed advice over the last month from Henry Selick, Richard Curtis, Terry Gilliam and Roger Avary to get the most important things they've learned or observed about directing. Dan Guy -- how unutterably cool. Thanks. Putting it all together it's: Wear comfortable shoes Sit down a lot Don't, whatever you do, shag the leading lady which advice I pass on to any potential directors...)
Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Sun 15 Dec 02 06:38
not sure how the reply to Dan guy crept into the middle of the Wisdom of Directors. it should have read: (I have canvassed advice over the last month from Henry Selick, Richard Curtis, Terry Gilliam and Roger Avary to get the most important things they've learned or observed about directing. Putting it all together it's: Wear comfortable shoes Sit down a lot Don't, whatever you do, shag the leading lady which advice I pass on to any potential directors...)
Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Sun 15 Dec 02 06:43
...and I suppose, on reflection, that I should point out that while points one and two (shoes and sitting) were personal reflections of the directors in question, point three was based on observation (and sometimes, relish) of other people's disasters.
Sitting down in comfortable shoes. (stagewalker) Sun 15 Dec 02 10:46
Well, I've never shagged my leading lady... but I did have the misfortune of falling in love with one of them, which was an experience I'm still recovering from and remains of the greatest emotional traumas of my life. I suppose if we had had a hairsbreadth less self control it would have been much, much worse, though. So... I'd have to say... good advice that. As for saying "let's move along now." ... for some reason that always seemed to be my job on this film. That, and pointing out continuity issues, reminding the director that we already said that line in the previous take and there's no need to write it into the next scene. *sigh* I'm not bitter. I'm just jealous.
Daniel (dfowlkes) Sun 15 Dec 02 13:56
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Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Sun 15 Dec 02 14:26
Stagewalker -- your director doesn't sound like much of one, really. Dan Guy -- well, my view of directing hasn't changed hugely, but I've learned a lot more about the craft. And I found out that I enjoyed it and wasn't actually bad at it, which was a relief on both counts.
Neither New Nor Improved (stagewalker) Sun 15 Dec 02 22:34
Neil - no... truth be told... he's not. It's been a learning experience, though. Glad to hear that you enjoyed the experience and that you have a knack for it. Shall I start sending headshots to your attention at Dreamhaven, or wait until you announce your next project?
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