David Gans (tnf) Sat 15 Jun 02 09:20
Hi Carl, I was curious to hear what you thought of electronica and its relationship (if any) to modern composers. The Wire in particular tries to draw a line between this music and composers like yourself. On other hand, some composers (such as Stockhausen) find it insulting to say that there is any kind of relationship between the two things. Do you see any connection yourself? Best wishes, Jason Gross Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine firstname.lastname@example.org http://www.perfectsoundforever.com
Sanni Abacha (cstone) Sun 16 Jun 02 18:26
Congratulations to saiyuk for nailing Tears of a Clown, which is in fact the sole source for the last section of Dong Il Jang. Have you considered a career in rock journalism? With that I will have to run away for about 24 hours, as I have some lecturing outside of Tokyo. I'll be back around this same time tomorrow,and will be glad to answer Jason7s questions and any others. Dewa....
Linda Castellani (castle) Sun 16 Jun 02 21:01
Wow! I am SO impressed!
Berliner (captward) Mon 17 Jun 02 07:19
(slinking away totally red-faced, since I also heard Smokey in there...)
excessively heterosexual (saiyuk) Mon 17 Jun 02 12:29
I actually *was* a rock journalist for about 20 minutes...well, actually, for a couple years on the side, i.e., college. And I *thought* that's what I was going to do. But then, some time around 1977-78, the double whammy of Gloria Gaynor and the Sex Pistols made me lose the faith. So I went to film school. But Smokey, he's still one of my main men. I've also been trying to ID the samples in Shibucho, besides My Girl. (I get obsessed with this on a puzzle level, which certainly makes my *aesthetic* experience of the pieces *different*, since it involves me adding another layer of fragmenting and repetition onto them.) There are two other sources that I have no doubt about, but there have to be at least one or two others in there that I haven't nailed down.
excessively heterosexual (saiyuk) Mon 17 Jun 02 12:54
Hoping that this doesn't constitute poaching on Carl's topic, the mentions of film soundtracks made me recall a short I reviewed in 1994: > Martin Arnold's 1993 <I>Passage a l'acte<I> is another ingenious > elaboration on musical techniques -- essentially the cinematic > equivalent of hip-hop. Arnold takes a brief, dramatically insignificant > clip -- probably less than a minute in length -- from the film <I>To > Kill a Mockingbird<I> and stretches it out to over ten minutes by rapid, > rhythmic repetitions of tiny fragments. His manipulations completely > change our relationship to the material: pieces of words and sound > effects become percussive; motion within the frame turns into some > impossible, abstract ballet; and our eyes have the leisure to examine > every static detail of the <I>mise en scene<I>. IN retrospect, the experience of watching that film reminds me so strongly of listening to Shibucho and Dong Il Jang that I am wondering now if I misidentified the director's inspiration, when I assumed that he was using hiphop as his model. CArl, do you know -- or anybody else out there, for that matter -- if other artists have used this as visual technique?
Sanni Abacha (cstone) Mon 17 Jun 02 22:24
Shibucho is relatively easy to train-spot, as there are only three tunes contained therein. Gambatte, dude. I wasn't aware of Martin Arnold or his work until 1994, when <verve> showed me "Passage a l'acte" and we screened it along with some other films and some live performances by me for the S.F. Cinemateque at the Art Institute. I'd like to meet Arnold someday, as I think we were both working in very similar territories in the 80's. Not sure about now. I have been told that the Austrian video band Granular Synthesis has used the same cumulative techniques in some of their performances. But I haven't seen them.
Sanni Abacha (cstone) Mon 17 Jun 02 22:30
And to asnwer Jason's question, I think that there are some very clear connections between - ok, I'll use the term - serious electronic music and electronica. I think that young people today are enjoying the expanded musical vocabularies and grammers that electro-acoustic music gave the world. So while Stockhausen may despise the work of the current generation of electronicaistas, his own work has played a part in their enablement.
excessively heterosexual (saiyuk) Tue 18 Jun 02 00:28
Wow! Only three tunes? Well, My Girl has long since been identified, and ABC is pretty clear toward the end. So everything I thought I heard in between must have been just my imagination.
Sanni Abacha (cstone) Tue 18 Jun 02 01:25
Correct when capitalized.
Sanni Abacha (cstone) Tue 18 Jun 02 01:28
Oops, but you know what? I just realized I gave you a bum steer. There is an additional tune in between JMI and ABC, another Jackson 5 track, the name escapes me now, a ballad .....damn, I'm blanking.
excessively heterosexual (saiyuk) Tue 18 Jun 02 01:43
Michael Jackson solo track, Got to Be There?
Sanni Abacha (cstone) Tue 18 Jun 02 07:42
Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Wed 19 Jun 02 19:32
Carl, dang it, you just dangled this out there for us and didn't do the fill: > So while Stockhausen may despise the work of the current generation > of electronicaistas, his own work has played a part in their > enablement. Does Stockhausen despise their work? YOUR work? How do you feel about HIS work?
Berliner (captward) Fri 21 Jun 02 05:15
Another question I've got is this: why is it so many people on either side of the "serious"/"pop" divide who do electronic music use Macs? I see the performance shots in The Wire and you see the white Apple there on the Powerbook cover... Is there no serious software in this area for PCs?
Sanni Abacha (cstone) Tue 2 Jul 02 03:28
Wow, quite a while since I checked back in here. Yikes. Sorry folks. Ed, at this point the mac has the leading edge for people who like to roll their own software for music. And that's because of the the programming language Max/MSP, which I mentioned earlier. There is a UNIX version called pd, but it doesn't have the nice interface stuff and is basically unsupported, so the Mac version still wins hands down. There will eventually be a Windows version of Max, so then the playing field might even out. I just saw a press release that Apple has bought Emagic, the music software company.
Sanni Abacha (cstone) Mon 5 Aug 02 21:10
And in the latest news, I'm back in the States for a couple of weeks of project work, performing, and some radio interviews. To wit: SUNDAY AUGUST 11th @ 21:00 PDT [ MONDAY AUGUST 12th 4:00 GMT, 13:00 JST] I'll be a guest on "Then and Now", which is Sarah Cahill's mostly classical music radio program on KALW. I guess I'm supposed to be "Now". KALW can be heard in the Bay Area at 91.7 mHz, and streams from their website at http://www.kalw.org/. WEDNESDAY AUGUST 21st @ 20:00 PDT [THURSDAY AUGUST 13th 3:00 GMT 12:00 JST] I'll be a guest on"Lascivia", the program of populist, experimental and ethnic music broadcast and webcast from KUCI, which can be heard in the California Irvine area at 88.9 mHz and streaming from http://www.kuci.org SATURDAY AUGUST 24th 19:00 PDT WEST HOLLYWOOD I'll be performing some new work, including my latest piece NAK WON, at the Schindler House, which is an incredible house/studio that was designed and buildt by Rudolf Schindler back in 1922, and is now run by the MAK Center for Art and Architecture. The concert is part of the 'sound' series that is held there annually, produced by Cindy Bernard. They say the series usually sells out in advance and reservations are strongly recommended. Schindler House: 835 N. Kings Road tel: 323/651-1510 http://www.sound2cb.com/sound/index.shtml SUNDAY AUGUST 25th 14:00 PDT HOLLYWOOD CA And finally, I'll be joining in at a Technology Salon, hosted by American Composers Forum /LA. This particular program will focus on audio looping techniques and aesthetics, and will be moderated by Richard Zvonar. RZ will hold forth on the history of looping and delay processing, followed by presentations by me, (using Max/MSP), guitarist Andre LaFosse (Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP)), and bassist Peter Freeman (on the Electrix Repeater) . This whole thing takes place at ROCCO'S [6320 Santa Monica Blvd ACF/LA info tel: (562) 464-6644] And dat's da news.
Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Tue 6 Aug 02 06:28
Berliner (captward) Tue 6 Aug 02 06:44
Yeah, but a rare chance for folks in the States to see and/or hear Carl do his stuff.
Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Tue 6 Aug 02 09:16
Still waiting for that Texas performance...
Sanni Abacha (cstone) Tue 6 Aug 02 14:18
Eating 3 pounds of meat at Cooper's BBQ in Llano was a performance, wouldn't you say?
Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Wed 7 Aug 02 02:48
Yeah, but it was hard to watch you do your thing, since I was face down in my own pile of 'que!
Sanni Abacha (cstone) Wed 7 Aug 02 14:50
Like I said, audiences are very different in the States compared to Japan.
Kosher Swan (shmo) Sun 18 Aug 02 10:32
Wonderful article on Carl in today's L.A. times: http://www.calendarlive.com/printedition/calendar/suncal/cl-ca- woodard18aug18.story?coll=cl%2Dsuncal
Osip Brik (cstone) Tue 27 Aug 02 05:56
And the reviews are in: http://www.calendarlive.com/printedition/calendar/cl-et-rick26aug26.story?coll =cl%2Dcalendar one line, of course.
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