"First you steal a bicycle...." (rik) Thu 14 Nov 02 10:34
But it ends just as things get really interesting. (I just finished it). Can't wait for the second half.
something named (stdale) Fri 15 Nov 02 08:48
Yep, I'm definitely in line for part 2.
Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Fri 15 Nov 02 17:30
I'm a-hopin' KPFA audio is online?
David Gans (tnf) Fri 15 Nov 02 18:20
www.kpfa.org or www.kfcf.org
David Gans (tnf) Wed 27 Nov 02 17:15
Reminder: Tonight's Dead to the World features Richie Unterberger, author of "Turn! Turn! Turn! The Sixties Folk-Rock Revolution" on for two hours, playing rare gems and masterpieces that he covers in that excellent book. Richie knows this material very well, and I expect a very cool program. On the web at http://www.kfcf.org or http://www.kpfa.org - 8-10pm Pacific time.
Richie Unterberger (folkrocks) Sun 15 Dec 02 12:29
This just in about a member of a very important group covered in "Turn! Turn! Turn!": Zal Yanovsky believed in magic. Lovin' Spoonful guitarist dies at 58 NICOLAAS VAN RIJN STAFF REPORTER Toronto Star Zal Yanovsky believed in magic. As a member of the Lovin' Spoonful it got him his first big hit, the 1960s "Do You Believe in Magic," which helped put the group second only to the Beatles in record sales for a while. And, after the music died, it got him to Kingston, where the man known as the Jewish version of Ringo Starr - for his resemblance to the Beatles drummer - started a restaurant, Chez Piggy, that is known across the land for its fare and welcoming atmosphere as a meeting place. "He had an unorthodox style of playing, to say the least," said Denny Doherty of the Mamas & Papas, who was inducted into the Canadian Music Hall of Fame with Yanovsky in 1996. "There was not any book anywhere that he followed. "And he is gone too soon." Yanovsky, 58, died suddenly at his farm home just outside Kingston Friday of a heart attack. Survivors include his wife Rose Richardson, his daughter Zoe, 2-year-old grandson Max, a sister Buba and his first wife, the actor Jackie Burroughs. A private family service will be held Monday in Kingston. Kingston Mayor Isabel Turner, who said she was "shocked" to hear of the death of the man she'd casually greet on the city's streets, hailed him as "a part of the very fabric of our community.'' "He took a very old building, went in and not only cleaned it all up, but brought it back to its former glory," she said of the work Yanovsky and his wife Rose put into restoring an 1880s livery stable for their Chez Piggy. "He was one of the first to do that, and because of it, others looked at what he had done and followed suit, with the result being that quite a renovation has taken place in downtown Kingston." To recognize their work, Turner said, the couple was last year recognized with a heritage restoration award. "He had a really wonderful life in Kingston," said Toronto writer Marni Jackson, who used to work at Yanovsky's first Kingston restaurant, the lakeshore Dr. Bull's, making cappuccinos. "He's a heart guy, the guy at the heart of Kingston. He and his wife Rose were really crucial in restoring Kingston's downtown and keeping the tourist economy kicking along because Chez Piggy's was really the city's first gathering place." Born in Toronto, Yanovsky dropped out of Downsview Collegiate at age 16 to begin the peripatetic lifestyle that marked his early days. "I was late the second day of school," Yanovsky recalled in an interview. "They wouldn't let me in school 'cause I didn't have all my books. I never really went back to get 'em. I guess I really didn't want to get back to school." Since he'd just learned to play the guitar a year before, Yanovsky turned to the stage, working "the Toronto coffee houses with a cat named Roy Gural," he recalled. "Then I worked in a coffee house in Kitchener and then I packed it in and went to Israel," where he worked on a kibbutz. But, Doherty recalled, Yanovsky didn't last long. "He was fired because he'd driven a Caterpillar tractor through a building. He was trying to help his people rebuild the country, not tear it down, but... So they said `You'll do better in Tel Aviv,' and he tried busking in Tel Aviv, but it didn't go, so he came back to Toronto." For the next year he survived by sleeping in an all-night coin laundry at the corner of Dupont and St. George Sts., busking, playing coffee houses and swiping milk bottles off front porches in his neighbourhood. "I used to steal milk bottles, sell them to the candy store and get deposit money," Yanovsky once confessed. "Listen, I needed the dough, so I mooched around a lot. I still got a lot of debts to pay when I get back, but I wasn't very original with the milk bottles - and my technique was not very lucrative." Longtime friend Larry Zolf, in a 1966 interview, laughed "I remember Zal from the days he was so poor he was claimed as a tax exemption by 27 people. I remember Zal in the days when he was so dirty he was condemned as unfit for human habitation by the Toronto Board of Control." Yanovsky finally caught a break when Doherty, then with a group named The Halifax Three, asked him to come aboard, and for a while it was The Halifax Three Plus One. "He played lead blues, kind of a single string picking, when I met him in 1961," Doherty recalled. "Zal had been into rhythm and blues, and folk music. Our gig paid him a couple of hundred bucks a week, and we toured a lot, so through that he met other musicians and started hanging around New York. After a stretch playing with Doherty in Washington's Georgetown district, Yanovsky returned to New York where he teamed up with John Sebastian who wanted to put together a group. The result was the Lovin' Spoonful, with Sebastian on guitar, harmonica and autoharp, Steve Boone on bass and piano, Joe Butler on drums and Yanovsky on guitar. The group was so impressive so quickly that it and Doherty's Mammas & Papas were hailed by Time magazine in the mid-1960s as the two top groups in America. The band's reputation soared as "Do You Believe in Magic" took over the charts, and for several years the Spoonful had a loyal and fanatic following. But by 1967 Yanovsky was ready for other challenges. A clash with San Francisco police over marijuana contributed to his decision, friends say. "I left because I don't want to compromise any more," he said. "I want to be completely responsible for myself. I want to make decisions for myself." With the cash settlement he received from the Spoonful, one that he candidly confessed made him "crazy rich," Yanovsky spent several years casting about for a new life. He attempted a musical comeback of his own in 1968 with the album Alive and Well and Living in Argentina, but it was, to put it kindly, a flop. Still, he would occasionally pull out his own review of the album, published in the Star in 1968 under his own byline, and cringe. Then came a shot at television producing - Magistrate's Court, a mercifully short-lived and unlamented soap Yanovsky himself admitted was "awful" - and a brief period playing with Kris Kristofferson in 1970. Finally came the challenge of running a restaurant in Kingston. "Zal's father Avram was a cook," Doherty recalled yesterday. "He was a bohemian himself, an artist and a writer, so Zal was raised rather 21st-century. There was cooking in the family." Yanovsky "loved his later life," Doherty said.
David Gans (tnf) Sun 15 Dec 02 12:48
THank you for the news. What a life.
Jack King (gjk) Sun 15 Dec 02 13:10
I wish I hadn't had to read that. But ramming a Caterpiller through a building! Wow!
"First you steal a bicycle...." (rik) Sun 15 Dec 02 15:01
Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sun 15 Dec 02 20:59
There goes the reunion.
John Ross (johnross) Thu 6 Feb 03 11:57
A ways back in this discussion, there was some talk about Judy Collins' 45 rpm record of "I'll Keep It With Mine", which was never released on LP or CD. A copy of the 45 just sold on eBay for $80. Yikes.
David Gans (tnf) Thu 6 Feb 03 12:54
Whoa. Richie will be on KPFA wth me and Larry Kelp Wednesday, February 26, 8pm til midnight PST. It's a KPFA fund-raiser, and you can hear it on the web at www.kpfa.org or www.kfcf.org Rihie will play lots of great rare stff and some of the key records that tell the story of this music. I'm looking forward to it!!
"First you steal a bicycle...." (rik) Thu 6 Feb 03 13:13
Yikes, indeed. Even Judy slagged it.
Richie Unterberger (folkrocks) Thu 6 Feb 03 14:17
Hey, do those who plan on maybe listening to David and me on KPFA later this month want to hear the Judy Collins version of "I'll Keep It With Mine" on the show? I've never seen a copy of the 45 myself. I had to get a collector to tape it for me. And Collins told me when I interviewed her that she deliberately decided not to put it on her "Forever" CD compilation.
"First you steal a bicycle...." (rik) Thu 6 Feb 03 14:52
I have to admit never figuring out what it was about. Some Dylanesque relationship problem was as far as I got.
Richie Unterberger (folkrocks) Thu 6 Feb 03 15:40
There is some interesting confusion about who "I'll Keep It With Mine" was written for that will probably never be resolved. The Nico biography "Nico: The Life & Lies of an Icon" reports that Dylan wrote it "with her in mind." They had a brief affair in Europe in mid-1964, and Nico is quoted in the book as follows about the song: "We went together to Greece for a short time, a little place near Athens, and he wrote me a song about me and my little baby." The book also reports that Nico did a demo of the song in the spring of 1965 with Dylan on piano when Dylan was in England for his British tour. It reports that Dylan played Nico "Like a Rolling Stone," announcing that it was going to be his next single, but Nico said it wasn't as good as "her" song, i.e. "I'll Keep It With Mine." A great story if it's true; I'm not sure about that. Nico held on to the demo and when she had a recording deal briefly with Immediate Records in England in mid-1965 (this is pre-Velvet Underground), she wanted to record it as a single. But Immediate's Andrew Loog Oldham (also Rolling Stones manager/producer) had her record a Gordon Lightfoot cover, "I'm Not Sayin,'" instead. She only recorded that one single for Immediate. I've never heard the Nico demo with Dylan supposedly on piano; it's not on any bootlegs I've seen. However, the liner notes for the Dylan box set "Biograph" say that the previously unreleased early '65 Dylan tape of "I'll Keep It With Mine" on the record was recorded for Judy Collins. If so, I would assume that it was meant as a demo for her to consider for a possible cover version, which of course she did later in 1965. In her interview with me, she said, "I love the idea that he said, at least said to me, that he wrote the song for me. Then he told Joanie Baez that he wrote it for her. And then there was some talk about that, as to who did what. Of course, he says, in his bootleg tape album, and also his retrospective album, that he wrote the song for me." Nico did record it on her first solo album, "Chelsea Girl." While I like that album very much, I don't like her version of "I'll Keep It With Mine" too much; it sounds like it's trying too hard, with a too-jaunty string arrangement. The best version of "I'll Keep It With Mine," with the possible exception of the one on Dylan's own biograph, was by Fairport Convention in the late 1960s, with Sandy Denny on lead vocals.
John Ross (johnross) Thu 6 Feb 03 17:13
I have a copy (for which I paid a lot less than $80!). It'd be easy enough to post a copy online, if anybody wants to hear it.
John Ross (johnross) Thu 6 Feb 03 19:00
I've just ripped a copy of "I'll Keep It With Mine". You can listen at http://www.well.com/~johnross/IllKeepIt.mp3.
Wild Bill Burrows and his friend G-Man (gjk) Fri 7 Feb 03 06:13
She really butchered it, didn't she?
"First you steal a bicycle...." (rik) Fri 7 Feb 03 09:08
I think she did the best with what she was given. Not much of a song, as far as I can hear.
Wild Bill Burrows and his friend G-Man (gjk) Fri 7 Feb 03 09:13
Doesn't even resemble Dylan's piano version.
Betsy Schwartz (betsys) Tue 18 Feb 03 07:00
David Gans (tnf) Wed 26 Feb 03 16:16
Reminder: Richie will appear tonight, 8 pm until midnight PST, on KPFA 94.1 fm in northern California (and online at www.kpfa.org and www.kfcf.org) It's a KPFA fund-raiser. Richie will play lots of great music, mainstsays of the genre as well as rarities from his stash.
Gail Williams (gail) Thu 27 Feb 03 11:20
Some great tapes last night -- I heard part of it, while driving, and it was remarkable!
an oceanic sofa of bliss (sd) Mon 9 Jun 03 09:50
I thought some of you might not know that the second volume is out now. http://www.richieunterberger.com/eighthome.htm EIGHT MILES HIGH: FOLK-ROCK'S FLIGHT FROM HAIGHT-ASHBURY TO WOODSTOCK About the book: Just published by Backbeat Books, Eight Miles High: Folk-Rock's Flight from Haight-Ashbury to Woodstock is the second volume of the first comprehensive history of one of the greatest movements in rock music, drawing upon interviews with more than 100 musicians, producers, managers, and journalists involved in the music. Where its predecessor ( Turn! Turn! Turn!: The '60s Folk-Rock Revolution ) documented the birth and growth of folk-rock through mid-1966, its sequel, Eight Miles High, covers the branches and evolutions of folk-rock from mid-1966 to the end of the 1960s. Together, they form an epic history of the entire style as it evolved throughout the 1960s, following its growth chronologically from the streets of Greenwich Village at the dawn of the decade through the 1969 Woodstock Festival. The innovations of giants such as the Byrds, Buffalo Springfield, Simon & Garfunkel, Joni Mitchell, Fairport Convention, and Bob Dylan are covered, of course. But so are the contributions of lesser-known heroes, from Tim Buckley, Fred Neil, and Nick Drake to the labels, producers, session musicians, managers, and fans that helped made the music happen.
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