David Gans (tnf) Fri 20 Dec 02 15:57
My opinion is that if we don't get a few million more Americans to vote in the next election, we're sunk.
(fom) Fri 20 Dec 02 16:52
My opinion is that this conversation/interview/whatever can and should continue. Why not??
Gail Williams (gail) Fri 20 Dec 02 17:16
So long as folks are posting, it's continuing! I always thought Reagan's gang wanted to take us back to the Dark Ages and reinstitute a feudal society. Now that the Islamic fundies appear to want to do the same, I'm wondering why so damned far back? I simply can't accept that the 1950s weren't repressive enough to return to! So here I am, thinking I'll wake from a very bad political dream into a less bad one. A miserable substitute for optimism about some blend of progress and evolution. My opinion is that we need to pass around a new wishful picture of the future, because my old ones are dented, damaged and lost.
the invetned stiff is dumb (bbraasch) Fri 20 Dec 02 17:20
Maybe someday we can be like South Korea?
Jack King (gjk) Fri 20 Dec 02 17:59
The two best things that came from my marriage to an atheist Russian Jewish girl were my son, the atheist Jew (who takes after his mother in that respect) and THE FAMILY SEDERS. Damn, I love a meal that goes on for hours, involves a ton of food and gallons of wine and READING AT THE TABLE (which was a big NO NO in the Methodist family I grew up in). Thank you Paul. Thank you Mike. Thank you Dave. Thank you Jon. Thank you Martha. Have a nice vacation. Maybe we can all get together again after vacation.
Jack King (gjk) Fri 20 Dec 02 18:02
Oh, shit, and thank you too, Cynthia. I thought I got everybody in there, but then I thought I got everybody on my pagan tree-worship card list too.
deja jew (bluecat-sings) Fri 20 Dec 02 20:24
jeez, is anyone in this conference NOT jewish? gentiles, it's okay ... we'll let you talk! blue
Paul Krassner (paulkrassner) Fri 20 Dec 02 23:15
Funny thing, you never hear anybody asserting, "My parents were gentile, but I don't consider myself gentile." Say good night, Gracie.
Michael Simmons (michaelsimmons) Fri 20 Dec 02 23:18
Berliner (captward) Sat 21 Dec 02 03:29
Do not go gentile into that night... (he said, the actual quotation he was parodying suddenly evaporating from his "brain").
Paul Krassner (paulkrassner) Sat 21 Dec 02 07:32
Years from now, when you think about this, be gentile.
the invetned stiff is dumb (bbraasch) Sat 21 Dec 02 08:05
In the 70's, I was in an army reserve unit in Chicago. Gene Siskel was in the unit playing one of many renditions of Sad Sack. One time we were all lined up to get on a bus to head off to summer camp and someone made a joke about lining up for a short arms inspection. Siskel made the comment that this would 'separate the men from the goys', getting some laughter. Then he said that the people who didn't get the joke should load the bags of those that did.
Jack King (gjk) Sat 21 Dec 02 08:05
If the all-powerful <vard> were here, she'd slap the shit out of you both. She's Chief of the Pun Police.
Jack King (gjk) Sat 21 Dec 02 08:06
Slippage on a Saturday morning! (Well, shit, I'm in somebody's office downtown D.C. where they can't see what I'm billing for, so it would make sense others would be online, getting paid to screw off too.)
Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sat 21 Dec 02 18:00
Marcy Sheiner (mmarquest) Tue 24 Dec 02 19:44
Paul, email sent re Nancy. The jewish thread is interesting, and timely for me: I just this morning told my sister, who says she cannot identify as a Jew (tho we are indeed Jewish) that her problem is she considers Jewishness a religion rather than an ethnicity. Obviously, I think the reverse.
Are You My Caucasian? (shmo) Tue 24 Dec 02 23:07
My Jewish friend Akiko Yonekawa would most definitely disagree with the Jewishness=Ethnicity thing.
Jack King (gjk) Wed 25 Dec 02 08:50
Whoa. I'll bet.
deja jew (bluecat-sings) Fri 27 Dec 02 09:37
why do we have to decide on either ethnicity or religion? jews are complicated people, we have a complicated history, and there's lots more social/spiritual possibilities these days. and, you know it already, jews are just like everyone else, only more so.
better late than ever (topsy-turvy) Sat 28 Dec 02 04:53
just back from Vegas... mightly enjoyed the riffs here. words that make no sense to me (think I saw them all here, except, maybe, ultimate?) - right wrong truth ultimate <\http://freespace.virgin.net/sarah.peter.nelson/lazyman/lazyman.html> "In the province of the mind what one believes to be true, either is true or becomes true within certain limits. These limits are to be found experimentally and experientially. When so found these limits turn out to be further beliefs to be transcended. In the province of the mind there are no limits. However, in the province of the body there are definite limits not to be transcended." - John C. Lilly
David Gans (tnf) Wed 1 Jan 03 11:34
From Phil Proctor: 2002 IN RE-PHEW! The best non-news: we didn't suffer another insane terrorist attack. Most of our wounds were, as usual, self-inflicted. It's also the year that asks the question, "If you're a Raelian Clonaid baby, are you a 'clonely child' or just 'alienated'?" It may be the last year Mervin Whipple of Killlingly, CT sets up his 120,000 Christmas lights and animated displays, because he says, these days, "The spirit of giving is nowhere near as much as the spirit of receiving." Or the spirit of receivership, for that matter, with over $350 billion in corporate bankruptcies declared this year. But then we can all feel comforted that a millionaire sewage treatment contractor (no, not that other "waste manager"), copped a $314.5 K powerball prize. And speaking of winners, a world-wide poll by the BBC has named the globe's "favorite songs ever", led by the Irish republican ballad "A Nation Once Again", followed by a Bollywood movie song, a Nepalese lieder, a Tamil Tiger film song and the pop song "Believe" by our own Cher, dearly won. One of the UN Iraq weapons inspectors, Harvey John "Jack" McGeorge was found to be the co-founder of the Washington-based S&M group, "Black Rose", and offers training seminars in the use of knives and ropes. Do those into rough sex need to wear a "sheet belt"? Funny the inspectors didn't find that out sooner... This Xmas, you could've purchased a die (sic) cast iron replica of JFK's Dal- las death limo complete with non-action figures or a pocket-sized "Joke Master" offering electronic access to a thousand jokes, PLUS -- three "TV- style laugh tracks of increasing intensity." Good thing to have in the bomb shelter. Video games this year included "Grand Theft Auto: Vice City" where a player can hijack police cars, kill cops and pedestrians, and pick up prostitutes for "health points" and then whack the ho-ho-hos to get their money back. Looked good under the tree next to the "Army Forward Command Post, a dollhouse destroyed by a bomb. Forward - into the paaaast!!!
Huh? (macoyote) Sun 20 Jul 03 12:03
#283 of 296: Paul Krassner >>Funny thing, you never hear anybody asserting, "My parents were gentile, but I don't consider myself gentile." Say good night, Graciie<< 'Cause I, and most of my gentile friends, read so many novels about growing up in the East Side that a small section of our brains is totally convinced we're jewish.
Wes Scoop Nisker (scoopnisker) Sun 20 Jul 03 13:49
Hi Paul, I just realized that we are in the well together for a while! Hope the heat isn't too bad in Desert Hot Springs. Be cool, man, as if you could be anything else... Blessings.... Scoopji
Gail Williams (gail) Mon 21 Jul 03 11:05
macoyote, you do hear people say "my parrents were christian, but I don't consider myself christian," of course. Dunno if Paul's still cheking in, Scoop. He had a book party/conversation thing here too, and sometimes people just can't stop talking and hanging out after the fixed time is up.
the next governor of california, not (ggg) Tue 22 Jul 03 19:59
that would've been fun -- cross-posting scoop and paul! well, if anyone knows, i'm wondering (inquiring minds, and all): where can a person find paul's review of "the parallax view" these days? someone in front of me at the library was checking out the video and we got to talking and I didn't know... and, me, i'm a zen judaist.
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