proud to be flesh (emilyg) Tue 14 Jan 03 12:44
(Just to clarify, *I* know the world doesn't end. I was paraphrasing paraphrasing, which is always a risky thing to do.)
TOM GEORGOULIAS writes... (tnf) Tue 14 Jan 03 16:38
Yeah, if you didn't like our disagreements to your opinions on free software, just wait till you get to hear them at the Borg HQ. Maybe, if you're lucky, you'll get to visit Microsoft Research and check out some of the cool projects underway. -- Tom Georgoulias
Grant Barnes (pyrus-malus) Wed 15 Jan 03 01:28
Mr. Sterling, I'd like your input. A few days ago I read Tomorrow Now, and deeply enjoyed it- every chapter made me think about new possibilities! Since then I've been reading your Viridian sites, articles, well posts, and novel Zeitgeist, all of which I've found to be cool and timely. Thank you for those. I'm in my first semester of college, so I don't yet have practical technical expertise, but I do have a general plan: I want to create highly stimulating learning environments. I've found that I learn best when I'm on my computer doing many things simultaneously, and research confirms that an ideal learning environment is one in which visual, auditory, and kinesthetic stimuli are coordinated. I know that even very young children who can't or don't read can rapidly assimilate large amounts of information from video games, analyze that data, and adapt instinctually. So I'd like to see interactive, networked web sites that move as quickly as video games and rapidly teach complex concepts, like physics, in an instinctually tangible way. They might not even use words, rather relying on the manipulation of objects to make concepts obvious. A more speculative idea yet is to use visual, auditory, and kinesthetic stimuli that change more rapidly than we can consciously perceive, but communicate practical knowledge (how to drive or speak a language, for instance) in some subliminal way. Do you think these are realistic proposals? Do you know of anyone working on similar or complementary ideas? Also, do you have your own site? I often see links to brucesterling.com, but it seems to be down.
Bruce Sterling (bruces) Wed 15 Jan 03 07:04
Well Grant, if I were you I'd be checking out amusement-park design. Cory Doctorow could help you. No there is no Bruce Sterling official worship site. I'm just into a lot of stuff. Uh-oh, the plane's boarding. Check out this Wayport disclaimer. New frontiers in wi-fi paranoia.
Bruce Sterling (bruces) Wed 15 Jan 03 07:05
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Jack King (gjk) Wed 15 Jan 03 07:40
Actually, that looks pretty standard. The First Amendment ends at the other end of your modem.
Jack King (gjk) Wed 15 Jan 03 07:45
Another way to put that is, "Freedom of the Press belongs to those who own a printing press." If you want to exercise your First Amendment right in cyberspace, you've got to set up your own ISP.
Brian Dear (brian) Wed 15 Jan 03 09:24
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Jack King (gjk) Wed 15 Jan 03 09:40
Ha, I'll take that case.
Bruce Sterling (bruces) Wed 15 Jan 03 11:09
Clap the handcuffs on me, I'm ready to face the music. Besides, those Wayport guys are based in Austin. I know where they live. I have now arrived in WELL-land. Soon, radio and bookstore appearances. Oh the unbounded joy...
Gail Williams (gail) Wed 15 Jan 03 12:21
What, no WELLfolk introduced themselves in Seattle? What a pity. OK, I found the info from above someplace, and here's the scoop on the SF events today: 12:30 pm Reading, Talk, & Signing Stacey's Books 581 Market Street San Francisco, CA 94105 On one hand, that's only a few blocks from here. On the other, tonight might be more lively, though for me consumption of gasoline may be involved: 7:30 pm Reading, Talk, & Signing Cody's Books 2454 Telegraph Avenue Berkeley, CA 94704
Life in the big (doctorow) Wed 15 Jan 03 13:26
Big whacks of that AUP are aimed at complying with the requirements for gaining the safe harbors of the DMCA and the CDA.
Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Wed 15 Jan 03 14:04
Definitely. Thought I'd mention the Eldred vs Ashcroft decision, which sustained copyright extension (and perhaps invited more of the same). Web pages are turning black (nods to Cory) in mourning for the public domain. The mouse is still in chains.
Bruce Sterling (bruces) Wed 15 Jan 03 16:27
He's Mouse Zedong. History stops dead with the creation of a cartoon mouse on a tabletop in Kansas City. Think of a Mickey Mouse boot stamping on a human face forever. Great promotion for the rollout of "Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom," Cory. Man, who sez sci-fi writers can't predict the future.
Life in the big (doctorow) Wed 15 Jan 03 19:18
Heh, thanks, Bruce. 40,000+ downloads and counting!
Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Wed 15 Jan 03 19:51
Wow, at 25.95 a copy, that would be $1,038,000.00! I wonder if you can write that off, Cory?
nape fest (zorca) Wed 15 Jan 03 22:31
at bruce's reading today, he said the nicest things about cory and boingboing.net. all deserved, of course.
J (jacob) Wed 15 Jan 03 23:01
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(jacob) Wed 15 Jan 03 23:05
He did! He also signed my antique, falling-apart copy of Involution Ocean. ("Are you sure you want me to sign this? This is one of the rare unsigned copies.") Excellent reading & questions, highly recommended, etc etc. Even the pet-subject questions got steered to something interesting, not to mention funny. Also, as zorca said afterward, I will be hearing the book in that wry voice when I re-read it.
Martha Soukup (soukup) Thu 16 Jan 03 00:45
E-mail from Tom Georgulias: Just to throw another log on the fire, the ACLU released a report stating that a total surveillance society is a realistic possibility now. I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry about this, but part of that report said that the only thing really holding back progress in total surveillance is incompetence. This has been a terrible week for digital rights... It's also more proof of the importance of staying technologically adept and pushing yourself to constantly learn new things, which is one of the reasons I liked "The Student" so much. It hit home for me. Cory, increment your count by another +2. I photocopied my pdf printouts for a couple of friends who didn't download it. ;) -- Tom Georgoulias
Life in the big (doctorow) Thu 16 Jan 03 07:16
<scuffing toe> Good on ya, Tom!
Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Thu 16 Jan 03 07:25
Bruce Sterling (bruces) Thu 16 Jan 03 07:53
Back on the plane later today for a hasty return to Berkeley-on-the-Colorado. It's really interesting to see IP issues getting headlines day after day. The Mouse by nature needs to live quietly in the darkness behind the baseboards, nibbling his IP cheese. He's gonna have a hard time being both the cuddly kid-toy icon and the Brutal Yellow-Fanged Giant Thief Rat That Liberals and Librarians Hate. In the authorial "business" model, it's all about the notoriety. Authors aren't capitalists, and the cash would just blow right out the window anyhow. "Oh look honey! $1,038,051! Quick, let's go to Istanbul!" It's vastly more important and useful to achieve some fame and cultural standing. I wasn't mistaken when I said that "science fiction needs Cory Doctorow." This cool stunt Cory pulled with his so-called "book" is an act of blatant countercultural daring that is revitalizing our scene. It's not just some weird gesture -- in the Eldred context this is a weird gesture that *fucking matters.* And it was timed brilliantly. SF is genuinely politically relevant again. It is in a position to say things that genuinely hurt people's feelings by spelling out the unspeakable in terms that cannot be denied. Oh brother!
Life in the big (doctorow) Thu 16 Jan 03 09:05
Bruce, that's mighty kind of you. The debate has been one-sided for far too long, I think. BTW, the story I workshopped at your place is up on Salon this morning, and it's got a new title, "Liberation Spectrum." http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2003/01/16/liberation_spectrum/index.html
proud to be flesh (emilyg) Thu 16 Jan 03 09:25
Years from now, Cory's soul (sold in order to insure the great timing that launched his novel) will appear on eBay. It will ultimately sell for X, where X=((22.95-various discounts*number of discounted books sold)+(22.95*(total downloads + total full-price copies sold)).
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