Larry Ratso Sloman (ratsosloman) Thu 30 Jan 03 09:08
Dan, Yet Dylan did live at the Chelsea for a short period of time. Don't know if he heard Methodist bells though.
Dan Levy (danlevy) Thu 30 Jan 03 14:53
I seem to recall the research suggesting that Bob wrote Sad Eyed Lady in Nashville. The implication for "Sara" is that Bob has made the song all the more intimate with a ruse that perhaps only Sara herself would know, so that all the world would think the song is truly revealing but only the two of them would know the truth about. Or something like that.
Michael Simmons (michaelsimmons) Thu 30 Jan 03 16:45
With respect to <stet>'s overreaction, I think Gary and Rats answered for me just fine. I never suggested Dylan owes anybody anything, nor was I demanding anything from him. I was merely speculating as to what influences an artist to create certain works. <stet>'s petulant tone is what bugs me about The WELL on occasion. Calm down, man. Read what I wrote, not what you THINK you read between the lines. Rats, is there anything in hindsight you would change if you were writing the book now?
who? me? (stet) Thu 30 Jan 03 19:02
I don't know what <michaelsimmons> is whining about. I was never even aware of his contribution. >I was merely speculating as to what influences an artist to create certain works. What a goddam _fascinating_ topic: <michaelsimmons> speculations on what Dylan might have been thinking. Obviously, a subject we should all listen up on.
Michael Simmons (michaelsimmons) Thu 30 Jan 03 19:41
Ah, Mankin, it's you! You're <stet>! My former editor at LA Reader. You were never aware of my contribution????? You were responding to my question to Ratso. I'm interlocuting this discussion, in essence interviewing Ratso and opening up the questions for discussion. But what is your reason for being continually snide? What is your point? You're misreading the points being made and reacting in a nasty manner. If you don't like the discussion, go somewhere else. We're not going for a doctoral thesis here, we're just a bunch of Dylan fans rapping. If it's too lowbrow for you, then perhaps you're in the wrong discussion.
David Gans (tnf) Thu 30 Jan 03 20:07
How about we take the interpersonal dialogue to private email and return to the subject of Bob Dylan here.
who? me? (stet) Thu 30 Jan 03 20:39
Before we do, I just want to say as an editor how much more interesting any audience would have found actual information regarding Dylan or other redmeat music celebrity's life than <michaelsimmons> speculations. Given that the former were not obtainable, sometimes economic considerations dictated printing the latter, though I don't remember specific contributions form <michaelsimmons> in this vein, nor would I have regarded same as a high point of redectorial achievement. I've worked for People-type magazines, and I didn' like it, and I'm glad I don't. But thank you, Michael,for personalizing this. It was, literally, the farthest thing from my mind. If it's still on yours, it's your problem, not mine.
Dan Lynch (ndjd88) Thu 30 Jan 03 22:48
So, Larry, what would you change if you could write it again? Kill Kemp before he left New York?
Michael Simmons (michaelsimmons) Fri 31 Jan 03 00:00
Truly weird digression. Thank you Dan and Ratso for redirecting the conversation to the topic at hand. Of course if Kemp and Imhoff hadn't been such sadists, it would've been a different story. And if Baez hadn't been snide, we'd be calling you Larry, not Ratso.
Larry Ratso Sloman (ratsosloman) Fri 31 Jan 03 02:23
Michael, Let me sleep on that. I just got back from hockey and I'm bushed. Off the top of my head? I probably would be harder on Rolling Stone. And asked for more per diem.
Dan Mitchell (mitchell) Fri 31 Jan 03 04:39
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Dan Mitchell (mitchell) Fri 31 Jan 03 04:42
All drama is conflict, and the Kemp stuff is what gave this book something like a story arc to hang everything on.
I Continue To Be A Complicated Communicator (dam) Fri 31 Jan 03 06:18
i think most of us looking back on life would have asked for more moneyh at times!
David Gans (tnf) Fri 31 Jan 03 11:18
Let's talk a little more about the Kemp business. I was a rock journalist for ten years, and I went on the road with bands a number of times. My favorite was the ride from Salt Lake to Boulder over night with Ozzy Osbourne. He and his bandmates regaled me with tales of the stuff they pulled on some wimpy keyboardist, e.g. shaving his eyebrows while he slept. I managed to get some sleep that night, and no one shaved my eyebrows. I rode out to the Hollywood Sportatorium in one of the limos with the Doobie Brothers (who were old friends from San Jose; I ran into them at their hotel in Ft Lauderdale and came along as a friend that night) -- this was right around the time "Minute By Minute" was coming out. They had a huge band meeting after the show that night, and their tour manager sent me into the bathroom with a Swiss Army knife and an immense baggie full of coke to keep mee occupied. The ride back was tense. More typical of tour-handler bahevior was the time I interviewed Rod Stewart (circa "Tonight I'm Yours") in his hotel room. The handler, Russell Shaw (about whom I heard many hilarious stories from band members later) kept coming into the room, fussing over one thing or another, but mostly looking for cues from Rod to get rid of me. Then there was the time, in Houston, when the Rubinoos were opening for Elvis Costello. My sister was married to Tommy Dunbar's brother, so I went as Tommy's guest. When I went backstage to say hello, a scrawny troothless Brit charged up to me and screamed, "I TOLD YOU To GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE!" as he ripped the sticky pass off my pant leg. of course, I had never seen this guy before in my life. So many stories. The reality distortion fields around these people can be very, very weird. Ratso, tell us a Kemp story that didn't make the book, maybe?
Bill's Burrow (gjk) Fri 31 Jan 03 12:23
I used to have stories but all of a sudden I looked and they were gone.
David Gans (tnf) Fri 31 Jan 03 13:01
The inkwell.vue spotlight moves on to the next interview, but there is no reason for this discussion to stop now. Ratso and Michael, thank you for being here. I hope you'll stay with us!
sonically gorgeous with no real content (watadoo) Fri 31 Jan 03 14:30
Dang I didn't even know about the inkvue interview with Ratso until today. That was a fun interview/conversation. Sorry I missed it. Having spent 16 years on the road lugging things and flipping levers and little knobs, it brought back a ton of memories. I had a road manager we called Swampthing, so named by an alto player who caught a whiff of ST's unwashed humanity as he skulked across the stage trying to be invisible while going to fix a bloggered hi-hat stand, mid-performance. Ray the sax player took his lips off his sax and said in an offhand manner (think Charlie Musselwhite muttering out the side of his mouth, "look, it's Swampthing," and the sobriquet followed my road manager for 10 years. Gawd, I miss the road sometimes. My road name was, Maximum Bob. Those of you that know me in this current 21st century manifestation can draw your own conclusions.
Bill's Burrow (gjk) Fri 31 Jan 03 14:37
Not Elmore Leonard's Maximum Bob????
William Thompson (watadoo) Fri 31 Jan 03 14:42
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sonically gorgeous with no real content (watadoo) Fri 31 Jan 03 14:43
Nope. The judge that put Tammy Faye's hubby Jim B. into the slam. THAT Matximum Bob.
Bill's Burrow (gjk) Fri 31 Jan 03 14:52
U.S. District Judge Robert D. Potter, Western District of North Carolina! Know him well. The Constitution waits at the door to his courtroom, begging quarters, shuffling its feet and clutching its raggedy hat in its hand.
sonically gorgeous with no real content (watadoo) Fri 31 Jan 03 15:53
I have hero's to fit every occation. Judge Potter is one of them.
Bill's Burrow (gjk) Fri 31 Jan 03 16:41
Honored to meetcha!
Michael Simmons (michaelsimmons) Fri 31 Jan 03 20:30
I don't if anyone's still on this thread, but one can read my review of both the Dylan Rolling Thunder Bootleg Series set and Ratso's book on the High Times website. The URL is http://www.hightimes.com/htsite/buzz/content.php?page=buzz_03012720&tpage= 1 Many thanks to my pals Ratso and David Gans as well as Barry Smolin, Dan Levy, Gary Lambert and all other contributors to the fun.
Michael Simmons (michaelsimmons) Fri 31 Jan 03 20:43
And love and thanks to my oldest friend, Counsellor George Jack King, a/k/a Cadillac Jack!
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