The WELL: inkwell.vue.187: Bill Ayers, "Fugitive Days"

#74: (fom) Wed 30 Jul 03 23:42

Wed, 30 Jul 2003 23:42:00 PDT

The Weather Underground. Or maybe just Weather Underground. It's also playing at the Shattuck, where I saw it today. Very emotional experience. I'm gonna go back in a few days and see it again.

Bill is one of the main people in it, of course -- Bill and Bernardine and Mark Rudd and a few others are interviewed throughout the movie.

The old footage is incredibly compelling, or was for me. The Vietnam stuff is gorrifyingly violent. That's a typo, but so apt I'll leave it.

Bill? You there? Do you have any comments on the movie?

I wish I'd gone opening day, because Bernardine appeared for Q&A at both theatres (on different evenings). [Read entire topic]

#73: Cynthia Dyer-Bennet (cdb) Mon 28 Jul 03 17:30

Mon, 28 Jul 2003 17:30:00 PDT

Title? I'm not likely to get to SF but I have a local indie/art theater that has an excellent booking agent. I could ask about bringin' it up here. [Read entire topic]

#72: the invetned stiff is dumb (bbraasch) Fri 25 Jul 03 22:31

Fri, 25 Jul 2003 22:31:00 PDT

I saw a new documentary on the Weathermen tonight at the Castro. It'll be there for a week. Very well done. Catch it while you can. [Read entire topic]

#71: (fom) Wed 16 Jul 03 17:56

Wed, 16 Jul 2003 17:56:00 PDT

proletarianly intoxicated, eh? [Read entire topic]

#70: Bill Ayers (billayers) Wed 16 Jul 03 13:17

Wed, 16 Jul 2003 13:17:00 PDT

bbraasch---I worked in the Cleveland colony called Lakeview/Hough,but years before I was on the run...No hiding out there,just getting high on the people,rapping about freedom,and living in the beloved community----amidst the clarifying wreckage.... [Read entire topic]

#69: Bill Ayers (billayers) Wed 16 Jul 03 13:12

Wed, 16 Jul 2003 13:12:00 PDT

Hey jenny---Thanx for the note and write when you've read the book if you want to...We do all need to remind ourselves that we are neither crazy nor deluded nor alone...the clique running OUR country represents the American people in the same way that the Soviet CP represented the people of the old Soviet Union---which is to say,yes,to some extent some of the time,and really a large NO WAY most of the time for most of the people. Now here we are with all the familiar talk of how SHOCKING it is that a president lied,and all the clever misdirection and fumbling about 1 sentence when the whole thing was a lie top to bottom,when the man can't open his mouth without lying---we need to speak clearly into the fog. Also,now comes the familiar underestimation of the cost of occupation,the toll in $$$ but also in a corrupted culture,consciousness,spirit...And the liberals call it a quagmire,holding on to the myth of American innocence,our good intentions undermined as if no one pointed this out again and again---pointedly in the recent antiwar protests....But to the established powers,liberal and conservative,it's critical to hold to the idea that we're outside the debate and so never a serious voice....And so we must work harder to establish the power of people mobilized and energized to wage the struggle for peace and justice.... [Read entire topic]

#68: Huh? (macoyote) Wed 16 Jul 03 09:31

Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:31:00 PDT

I thought then that kids were more prevented from knowing they could/do learn on their own if it started early. By ten, they would be..less gullible? more aware of who they were? Now, I think that being with other children, since we're not a tribe anymore, is too valuable to miss. Children learn so much, bad and good, from other children. This is one of the problems I have with home schooling. [Read entire topic]

#67: (fom) Wed 16 Jul 03 09:12

Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:12:00 PDT

(Starting at 10 -- that's interesting. Why 10?) [Read entire topic]

#66: Huh? (macoyote) Tue 15 Jul 03 10:17

Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:17:00 PDT

I don't believe people around twenty or thirty have any idea how sickening the war in Vietnam was, how divorced from reality or decency. Looking back, I think the effect was, and continues to be, comparable in many ways to the wounds of the Civil War. Afterwards, as a country, we went into denial and cynicism.

And, yes, I do think education is the best (not the only) hope. And I say this as one who used to feel, as an adult, that the way we were taught in school-that we were stupid, and could only learn by listening to teacher and believing what we were told-was so damaging that the only way out was 2-3 years, starting at 10 years old, learning to read, write, and figure, and no more. With two more years of access to books, of course. God knows, the history I was taught in grade school was no help to anyone. Remember, this was 50-60 years ago. [Read entire topic]

#65: (fom) Sun 13 Jul 03 07:46

Sun, 13 Jul 2003 07:46:00 PDT

Lincoln and Fullerton -- bbraasch, we must've crossed paths a million times.

I have a question about the Days of Rage but I'm insufficiently caffeinated at the moment to compose it properly. [Read entire topic]