William H. Dailey (whdailey) Thu 27 Nov 03 17:30
It mostly comes from the internet, not radio. See "Occult Ether Physics: Tesla's Hidden Space Propulsion System and the Conspiracy to Conceal It" by William Lyne. You can find it on amazon.com. Also see: Http://www.tilleyfoundation.com Here is an application nick named "battery popping." They use a different form of "energy from the vacuum" to power their factory. The great engineer Tesla modified his Pierce Arrow with another form of "energy from the vacuum" and drove it around. He was made an offer he couldn't refuse though and dropped it. http://www.jeffotto.com Here is another application of the "new" science. His plan is to install his power plant in your house for free. He will make his profit from the extra energy left over that goes to the power grid. Please sign up. http://www.cheniere.org Some theory behind the "new" science explained by LTC. Tom Bearden (retired). http://www.genesisworldenergy.org http://www.worldenergymanagement.com These last are the energy baron's reply to the threat of free energy. A while back I saw in the paper (S.F. Chronicle), where an official of Royal Dutch Shell was saying that Hydrogen was the fuel of the future. I wondered about that. Later there was an article where it was said they would apply to our government to recompense them for the cost of their research. Later still, it was said they expected our government to pay for the development of factories to churn out their devices. They will be using a catalyst to get get Hydrogen, Oxygen, and Electricity from water. Some time in the past they suppressed and stole the catalyst from an inventor so they should go to jail. We do see where our auto makers are gearing up to produce cars that run on Hydrogen. The catalyst method is not "new" science. I expect they are nailing down control of existing oil fields so they won't have any competition.
Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Thu 27 Nov 03 21:51
There is some incredible stuff out there on the Internet. You can find anything you like if you look hard enough.
David Kline (dkline) Fri 28 Nov 03 08:51
That's the beauty of the Net. You used to have to work hard to back up your insupportable views with printed "research." Now it's much easier.
Mitsuharu Hadeishi (mitsu) Sat 29 Nov 03 10:42
The Russian KGB has weapons powerful enough to split the earth? "Well, if WE can't rule the earth, then NO ONE can have it!" They also must have a time machine, since the KGB doesn't exist anymore.
Dan Mitchell (mitchell) Sat 29 Nov 03 14:43
God hates fags. It must be true: I read it on the Internet.
Gail Williams (gail) Sat 29 Nov 03 19:07
True, you still have to evaluate references, as ever.
William H. Dailey (whdailey) Sat 29 Nov 03 19:50
Teruo Kawai "Motive Power Gererating Device" Hitachi engineers confirmed this free energy device. See his U.S. patent #5,436,518. Other japanese inventors have developed free energy devices. In Japan it is the yakusa who are suppressing the use of these devices. Are they being paid by the Oil interests?
David Kline (dkline) Sun 30 Nov 03 09:16
I don't know what you think a "free energy" devivce is, but Teruo Kawai's actual stated description of Patent #5436518 describes a rather simple magnetic device that most certainly does NOT create "free" energy: "A motive power generating device comprises a permanent magnet disposed around a rotational output shaft for rotation therewith, the output shaft being mounted on a support member for rotation, a magnetic body disposed in concentric relationship with the permanent magnet for rotation with the rotational output shaft, the magnetic body being subjected to magnetic flux generated by the permanent magnet, a plurality of electromagnets fixedly mounted to the support member in such a manner that they are spaced at predetermined distances around the periphery of the magnetic body, each magnetic circuit of the electromagnets being adapted to be independent of one another, and excitation change-over means for the electromagnets, the excitation change-over means being adapted to sequentially magnetize one of the electromagnets which is positioned forwardly with regard to a rotational direction of the rotational output shaft, so as to impart to the particular electromagnet a magnetic polarity opposite to that of the magnetic pole of the permanent magnet, whereby magnetic flux passing through the magnetic body converges in one direction so as to apply a rotational torque to the rotational output shaft. No force opposing movement of a rotor or movable element is generated." This patent is merely an incremental improvement in a long line of 26 previous patented inventions (cited by Teruo Kawai as "prior art") going back more than 35 years. The first prior art cited by Teruo Kawai as the basis for his own work was USPTO #3,344,325, granted September 26, 1967, to M. Sklaroff, for a "Step Motor including permannent magnet rotor." Hardly the stuff of science fiction, I'm afraid.
Berliner (captward) Sun 30 Nov 03 09:17
This was a fine discussion for a while, though.
David Kline (dkline) Sun 30 Nov 03 09:17
But hey, why deal with facts when DARK CONSPIRACIES can be imagined?
David Kline (dkline) Sun 30 Nov 03 09:18
Yes it was.
Berliner (captward) Sun 30 Nov 03 09:28
Who needs DARK CONSPIRACIES when there are so many real ones afoot?
Jacques Delaguerre http://www.delaguerre.com/delaguerre/ (jax) Sun 30 Nov 03 10:19
Who needs conspiracies at all when human nature and interests dictate that groups will behave in a certain fashion whether or not they can act in concert or not? E.g., Halliburton would still be trying to rob the United States Treasury whether Cheney were veep or no.
Martha Soukup (soukup) Sun 30 Nov 03 10:33
Just a lot easier with Cheney in office.
Berliner (captward) Sun 30 Nov 03 10:34
<jax> nails my meaning.
William H. Dailey (whdailey) Sun 30 Nov 03 15:43
We are not talking about fiction. We are talking about physical fact. This level of science goes back beyond the beginning of the last century to Maxwell's equations. After his death, other scientists cut the number of his original equations from twenty down to four, not understanding what they were doing. So we lost the ability calculate and control gravity, momentum, time, desease, and a few other things including taking free electricity out of the active vacuum. Tom bearden calls it the "Active Vacuum," Some have called it "Zero Point," Tesla called it "Radiant Energy," and the people of Maxwells' time called it "the Aether." Our Federal Reserve, a private central bank owned by the banking cartel has been draining our nation's wealth. I didn't know until recently they have also been suppressing useful and interesting inventions. See "The Creature from Jekyll Island" by G. Edward Griffin. You can find it in Amazon.com or bn.com (Barnes and Noble) if not in your public library.
tambourine verde (barb-albq) Mon 1 Dec 03 08:43
Why is this being discussed in this topic? Does it have some profound connection, ethereal as it may be, to Iraq and the war? Meanwhile, many Iraqis' hearts and minds are definitely not being won: >U.S. troops face a difficult task in trying to root out the violent insurgents who want to drive them out of Iraq. But in pursuing this deadly enemy, the Americans are frequently guilty of excesses that are turning ordinary Iraqis into foes. Bush's Thanksgiving visit meant little to Iraqis, who cite three areas of concern: the killing of innocents, the "disappearance" of countrymen detained by U.S. forces, and the destruction of buildings, including family homes. The last tactic, justified by U.S. commanders as legitimate demolition of military targets, is criticized by human-rights groups like Amnesty International as smacking of collective punishment. As U.S. forces employ more aggressive tactics to take on the resistance, these grievances are only getting worse, setting back the effort to win over local hearts and minds. "Before the Americans came, we heard a lot about their respect for human rights," says Khalid Mustafa Akbar, at a mourning tent for his three brothers who were shot dead while driving their pickup by a U.S. patrol outside Tikrit last week. "But then we found it is only talk."< http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101031208-552124-1,00.html
David Kline (dkline) Mon 1 Dec 03 09:05
No, we're not winning hearts and minds. It may be that only the shiites can save this situation.
Jacques Delaguerre http://www.delaguerre.com/delaguerre/ (jax) Mon 1 Dec 03 09:06
Berliner (captward) Mon 1 Dec 03 09:59
A somewhat more ambiguous look at it via the Times in this morning's IHT: (http://www.iht.com/articles/119691.html) My take on it was that neither side really has a Big Picture on what's going on. We have the capability to define it, but as usual, we're looking after our own asses and being a bit too aggressive.
tambourine verde (barb-albq) Mon 1 Dec 03 10:02
Yeah, I saw Burns on Charlie Rose discuss many of the same things he brings up in this article. Nuanced and complex, to say the least. I wonder if there really is a big picture, or just conflicting and confusing chaos growing by the minute, even within the Iraq people's psyches.
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