The WELL: inkwell.vue.200: The Wrong War?

#146: tambourine verde (barb-albq) Mon 1 Dec 03 10:02

Mon, 01 Dec 2003 10:02:00 PST

Yeah, I saw Burns on Charlie Rose discuss many of the same things he brings up in this article. Nuanced and complex, to say the least. I wonder if there really is a big picture, or just conflicting and confusing chaos growing by the minute, even within the Iraq people's psyches. [Read entire topic]

#145: Berliner (captward) Mon 1 Dec 03 09:59

Mon, 01 Dec 2003 09:59:00 PST

A somewhat more ambiguous look at it via the Times in this morning's IHT:

(http://www.iht.com/articles/119691.html)

My take on it was that neither side really has a Big Picture on what's going on. We have the capability to define it, but as usual, we're looking after our own asses and being a bit too aggressive. [Read entire topic]

#144: Jacques Delaguerre http://www.delaguerre.com/delaguerre/ (jax) Mon 1 Dec 03 09:06

Mon, 01 Dec 2003 09:06:00 PST

hoo boy. [Read entire topic]

#143: David Kline (dkline) Mon 1 Dec 03 09:05

Mon, 01 Dec 2003 09:05:00 PST

No, we're not winning hearts and minds.

It may be that only the shiites can save this situation. [Read entire topic]

#142: tambourine verde (barb-albq) Mon 1 Dec 03 08:43

Mon, 01 Dec 2003 08:43:00 PST

Why is this being discussed in this topic? Does it have some profound connection, ethereal as it may be, to Iraq and the war?

Meanwhile, many Iraqis' hearts and minds are definitely not being won:

>U.S. troops face a difficult task in trying to root out the violent insurgents who want to drive them out of Iraq. But in pursuing this deadly enemy, the Americans are frequently guilty of excesses that are turning ordinary Iraqis into foes. Bush's Thanksgiving visit meant little to Iraqis, who cite three areas of concern: the killing of innocents, the "disappearance" of countrymen detained by U.S. forces, and the destruction of buildings, including family homes. The last tactic, justified by U.S. commanders as legitimate demolition of military targets, is criticized by human-rights groups like Amnesty International as smacking of collective punishment. As U.S. forces employ more aggressive tactics to take on the resistance, these grievances are only getting worse, setting back the effort to win over local hearts and minds. "Before the Americans came, we heard a lot about their respect for human rights," says Khalid Mustafa Akbar, at a mourning tent for his three brothers who were shot dead while driving their pickup by a U.S. patrol outside Tikrit last week. "But then we found it is only talk."<

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101031208-552124-1,00.html [Read entire topic]

#141: William H. Dailey (whdailey) Sun 30 Nov 03 15:43

Sun, 30 Nov 2003 15:43:00 PST

We are not talking about fiction. We are talking about physical fact. This level of science goes back beyond the beginning of the last century to Maxwell's equations. After his death, other scientists cut the number of his original equations from twenty down to four, not understanding what they were doing. So we lost the ability calculate and control gravity, momentum, time, desease, and a few other things including taking free electricity out of the active vacuum. Tom bearden calls it the "Active Vacuum," Some have called it "Zero Point," Tesla called it "Radiant Energy," and the people of Maxwells' time called it "the Aether."

Our Federal Reserve, a private central bank owned by the banking cartel has been draining our nation's wealth. I didn't know until recently they have also been suppressing useful and interesting inventions. See "The Creature from Jekyll Island" by G. Edward Griffin. You can find it in Amazon.com or bn.com (Barnes and Noble) if not in your public library. [Read entire topic]

#140: Berliner (captward) Sun 30 Nov 03 10:34

Sun, 30 Nov 2003 10:34:00 PST

<jax> nails my meaning. [Read entire topic]

#139: Martha Soukup (soukup) Sun 30 Nov 03 10:33

Sun, 30 Nov 2003 10:33:00 PST

Just a lot easier with Cheney in office. [Read entire topic]

#138: Jacques Delaguerre http://www.delaguerre.com/delaguerre/ (jax) Sun 30 Nov 03 10:19

Sun, 30 Nov 2003 10:19:00 PST

Who needs conspiracies at all when human nature and interests dictate that groups will behave in a certain fashion whether or not they can act in concert or not? E.g., Halliburton would still be trying to rob the United States Treasury whether Cheney were veep or no. [Read entire topic]

#137: Berliner (captward) Sun 30 Nov 03 09:28

Sun, 30 Nov 2003 09:28:00 PST

Who needs DARK CONSPIRACIES when there are so many real ones afoot? [Read entire topic]