Kevin Graves (titanic) Fri 9 Apr 04 16:23
oh and I forgot about Casey's *love* of gladiolas, Marjorie....Casey, I will have to put in my order for your "gladdies". yuk yuk yuk.
Casey Ellis (caseyell) Fri 9 Apr 04 16:30
(behaving here, making kevin think the WELL is a friendly place where people who post about gladioli do not get SLAPPED)
Randall Koll (randallk) Fri 9 Apr 04 18:24
Welcome to the Well Kevin! To add to what Kevin said in response to artlife's question: I like a lidded light weight box - like rafia or some sort - that is oversized and easy to fill, and with a removable lid. When not in use, while your in bed, it can reside under it. I have a box like that and I keep pens, paper and a dictionary in and use it to write in bed in the mornings. I just set the box on my lap and use the lid as a desk surface. Cindy, I think a narrow alter or parsons-style table with a small bench or stool tucked under it could be a good solution. You have the table top for set items, and the stool for guests to sit on as they remove their shoes. I would get either a large basket or an old wooden firewood container (with handle) to put shoes in and I like to have a basket or box full of simple chinese slippers for the guests to wear in the house.
Catie McIntyre Walker (rosebud) Fri 9 Apr 04 18:28
Thank you Casey and Randall for this beautiful book. In fact it is such a beauty that it is sitting on_top of my Alexandra Stoddard's "Living the Beautiful Life" books. Move over Alexandra! Whenever I hear or read something about the organized home, my first thought is a room full of rubbermaid and tupperware. Your book proves that being organized does not mean living in rooms with white sterile plastic boxes. Being organized can also be beautiful! Your ideas validate some of my organizational skills I have had in place for a few years now. It feels good to hear it from the experts. Thanks! Old trunks, interesting and old suitcases stacked on top of each other, hat boxes, old blue fruit jars, antique tins and old picnic baskets have been serving a duel purpose for a while now. They not only decorate corners of my rooms but also hide my junk. I am looking forward to adding many more new ideas from your book. This is the kind of book that every time I open it I spot something new.
Casey Ellis (caseyell) Fri 9 Apr 04 18:44
thanks, rosebud. the retail world *is* starting to get the idea about making better looking containers. Right now I'm enamoured with the various fabric-clad boxes available from Hold Everything right.I have the ones covered in natural color linen in one storage closet and the gorgeous gray ones--with red linings--in my study. But I agree that much of the stuff available is pig ugly, so shopping in flea markets, antique collectives, estate sales (and even your own attic) can be a lot more rewarding.
Casey Ellis (caseyell) Fri 9 Apr 04 18:44
(uh, ignore that second "right" in the second sentence.)
lmc (lmc) Fri 9 Apr 04 18:47
i agree, it's so easy to think big plastic boxes, they're just going in the closet. but i love opening the closet and seeing the nice baskets, even if they're not fancy. looks so much nicer.
Randall Koll (randallk) Fri 9 Apr 04 18:53
I think one of our favorite container ideas was a red lucite box to hold remote controls.
lmc (lmc) Fri 9 Apr 04 19:07
why not just store them under the sofa cushions, so they're easy to access?
Kevin Graves (titanic) Fri 9 Apr 04 19:16
Hi Randall! Speaking of remotes...we just got rid of a coffee table with 6 drawers. I wanted one that was open underneath instead of that "casket" we had. Instead of losing organization with all those drawers, what we finally figured out is that 95% of the stuff in those drawers wasn't necessary. Instead of the "final resting place for old remotes", what we now have is a much more open table with a bottom shelf for art books and a woven basket, and an oval ceramic box from Italy with only 2 remotes in it sitting on the tabletop. So we went from having 6 drawers to none, and are much better off for the editing. To me, endless storage space is exactly that. We are much better served by this situation. I also agree with Casey that Hold Everything has the best looking storage ideas around!
Sharon Lynne Fisher (slf) Fri 9 Apr 04 19:41
I just bought a 'boot bench,' which you can sit on, store slippers in, and put shoes in. I could have spent twice as much and gotten a nice wood one but I got a plastic one for now. I don't have a coffee table because I know I'd just stack shit on it. For remotes, I have these pockets that hang over the couch arms for remotes, a box of Kleenex, the cat brushes, etc.
snarly (obizuth) Fri 9 Apr 04 19:47
can you guys list your remote control storage suggestions? they made me hyperventilate! that was one thing i loved about the book--once i actually started READING i was not filled with dread and hostility (ok, not more than my normal daily state), but rather actually felt excited about organization! because it was, to massively paraphrase arturner and put words in his mouth, not about some chirpy bitch person telling me how to whip my life into shape but rather about inspiring oddball things that could make my home look niftier. and who does not crave niftiness as well as organization? also, when there is a LULL, if you could answer arturner's danced-around question about solutions for teeny apartments...if l LAFF and LAFF when you say words like "mudroom" because i live in a studio or 1-BR, what would your most mega best advice for me be? my mom lives in a veal pen. it is the smallest apt in nyc, i swear.
Randall Koll (randallk) Fri 9 Apr 04 20:05
Our refuge for remotes include: - An old leather jewelry box - The overturned lid of a covered box (use the basket base to store program guides) - A wooden Chinese rice container - A vintage 1930s sewing basket I have a tiny apartment in SF, so I can address any and all small space problems. I thought my apartment was 600 square feet (no size or spatial sense - hello! and what is my job?) But, no, it's less than 400 (thank you IRS for that reality check and audit.) So I know tiny spaces. Mudrooms can be "mud" spaces. The tips translate from big (or huge) to small. The traffic and needs are the same. And so are the solutions. They just need to be scaled to the space.
slopoet (slopoet) Fri 9 Apr 04 21:21
I discovered a cigar box is exactly the right size and shape to hold our six remotes. When not in use, it lives on the bottom shelf of our coffee table (I, too, could not get by without a bottom shelf for a coffee table). It's easy to grab the cigar box and select the right remotes that are needed at any one time.
Randall Koll (randallk) Fri 9 Apr 04 23:23
Casey Ellis (caseyell) Sat 10 Apr 04 08:17
agreeing on the excellence of the cigar box usage; also want to say that <arturner's> analysis in the first paragraphs of post #21 is exactly on target. I won't be here much today as this is wedding gown shopping day with my younger daughter. so: carry on--and if I find any gladioli here when I return, demerits will be given.
a meat-vessel, with soul poured in (wellelp) Sat 10 Apr 04 13:03
Hello, Casey, Randall, and Marjorie, I love this book!! This book may just be the one to get me over my organizing phobias. My reactions to "rules" are the same as Casey's and Marjorie's. No one's going tell me what I _have_ to get rid of. Or get away with implying I'm somehow deficient if I don't have all my clutter under control. You don't do that. You come at things sideways by offering suggestions and showing how things can work. You offer enticing tidbits that make something as dreary-sounding as "decluttering" become as exciting and fun as "decorating". I actually think of your book more as a guide to decor that works in the real world than as an organizational book. One of the suggestions about the entry way that I love: put a mirror there. I can't tell you how often I'm almost out the door and suddenly panic that my hair looks goofy. So I have to go back to the bedroom or bathroom to check. And I already have the perfect hall mirror. Now if I could just find my hammer so I could put it up....
spray paint everything gold (artlife) Sat 10 Apr 04 14:21
there are lots of great ideas in this book casey and randall - are any of the pictures in the book of either of your own homes? how did you select the photos for the book? i see by the credits that some are from manufacturers, but did you stage any?
Lisa (lisa) Sat 10 Apr 04 15:42
Not that I love the Rubbermaid look, but I must say that when the water pipe to our outside faucet burst into the basement, raining down onto the shelves where I store the kids' old school papers and my clip files, I was =extremely= glad that I had stored that stuff in plastic! My darling daughter Sara, who is almost 9, likes to do craft projects on the dining room table. It seats 10, but god forbid we should have company, because the table is completely covered with Great Works in Progress (in fimo clay, felt, paper and found materials). Any good ideas for kids and adults on how to deal with half-done projects of whatever kind?
Randall Koll (randallk) Sat 10 Apr 04 16:26
I love that you use your dining table like that! I like to have a rule that you can use the dining table for projects, but with the understanding that when it comes time for a dinner party or celebration, the projects go and the guests arrive. But also with the understanding that the projects can come back again. Otherwise, you've turned your dining room into a full time craft room and that's not dual purpose. Artlife - The publisher gave us a photo budget for stock photos , and to make the budget stretch, we used product shots from companies like IKEA, Baker, and Laura Ashley were used. Actually, we got a lot of really great images that way and they were free. As you can imagine, finding images that illustrated our points was a bit difficult. It would have been much easier to shoot new photos. But our budget just didn't allow for it. Not to mention the timeframe (we did the book in 6 months.) However, most of the stock photos we paid for are from some of my favorite photographers - Tim Street Porter, Tria Giovan, Eric Roth - so that was fun. We literally went through hundreds of photos, and then whittled them down to what's in the book. Alas, our homes are not featured. The only thing from my portfolio is the gilded cradle in the Celebrations chapter. I really had fun art directing the photos, and many times Casey and I would find an image that we loved, just for the way it looked, even if it said nothing about organization. Then we'd come to our senses and eliminate it. Part of the photo elimination process was also "and what will the caption be?" If we couldn't say anything but "I really like this room!" then it was out.
Casey Ellis (caseyell) Sat 10 Apr 04 16:32
ok--randall must have been typing his response at the same time as I was typing mine, but, despite some repetition, I'll let mine stand: none of the pictures are from our own homes--tho I'd love that Victorian hatstand in the entry chapter --plus a husband who wears a tophat and carries a walking stick. the fun part of the foto selection was that we had wonderful stock fotos to choose from, thanks to our publisher. so, choosing work from top design fotogs such at Tim Street-Porter, Eric Roth, and Tria Giovan was a JOY. the not-so-fun part was that we only had the budget for half the fotos to come from these sources--the rest had to be freebies. and, in all honesty, I think Randall did an absolutely amazing job of mmaking the freebies looking as good as the bought ones. Essentially, R was the foto-editor of the book--and I think it's a beauty. Rockport's layout designers apparently thought so, too--because they did some really nice work with background color selection and overall layout. staging and specially shooting fotos is extremely expensive. check out even the priciest design books and you'll see that many of the fotos come from earlier magazine stories.
Casey Ellis (caseyell) Sat 10 Apr 04 16:40
lisa: what about a rolling cart to hold boxes of craft supplies? when the dining table is needed for dining, the crafty stuff goes into the boxes, the boxes go onto the cart, and the cart gets rolled to another room
Randall Koll (randallk) Sat 10 Apr 04 16:43
The best freebies came from Baker Furniture. Most of their designer furniture lines - Barbra Barry, William Sofield, Thomas Pleasant - are shot in actual homes, not studios. So that helped. One of my favorite Baker photos from the book is on page 30 in the Living room chapter. This is Bill Sofield's house in Los Angeles. It's a very old Frank Lloyd Wright-style house. (Bill designs the interiors of the Gucci Boutiques, amoung other things.) The problem with the house when Bill bought it, was that water ran off from the hillside and into the house. Tom Ford said he should call it "Standing Water." (craft cart slippage from casey)
Kevin Graves (titanic) Sat 10 Apr 04 17:31
Two things... First, as a Graphic Designer, I was very impressed with all of the design aspects of the book. I love the sidebar topics, and as I've said, my favorites were the warm weather/cool weather topics. The well done icons were lightly screened into reverse blocks of color, the printing is great. Rockport did a fine job on your book kids. Clean typefaces and colors. Second, regarding dining rooms. Ours serves as a library as well as dining room with built in bookcases and a windowseat on one side. I always use my dining room for projects as I have no where else to do it. I use a big rubbermaid box and can clean it up in a jiffy. The box goes under one of the cabinets under the bookcases. I have a cookbook by Marta Squbin, Jackie Onassis' cook and friend. One of the photos in the book shows where on JO's Russian dining table, John Jr was building a model of an aircraft carrier. I thought that was cool. I *DO* clean it off before we eat. Depending on the type of craft, a large fishing tackle box will work, I keep my oils in one.
Casey Ellis (caseyell) Sat 10 Apr 04 18:01
(aside to other WELL members: the above is my great pal, kevin graves, who lives in Texas. he is a fine graphic artist, so his high opinion of the book means a lot. he's also a fabulous cook, generous friend and funny as hell when his wicked side slips out)
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