Randall Koll (randallk) Sat 10 Apr 04 18:34
(and now is not the time to tell him that Jackie and Diana Vreeland are well, you know.)
Alan Turner (arturner) Sat 10 Apr 04 18:37
In a way, I think the pictures are _too_ good. Because they foster the idea that you get everything looking _just so_, and then that's IT, and you're living in some kind of a museum of your posessions. At least one person I showed the book to interpereted it that way. I wish there more pictures like the one of the bulletin board with the red ribbons and pictures and letters and suchlike stuck in haphazardly; obviously that's an organizing system that gets changed around a lot, and was meant to be used like that. I used to give my parents art as presents; lithographs or framed pictures and so on, until I realized that while they might like them, they considered the art display "done". Putting some things away and bringing others out is just inconcievable. So they've been looking at the same Japanese woodcut in the same place for thirty years. You do emphasize changing things around seasonally in the text, but the pictures don't: a couple of side by side illustrations would have gone a long way: the same room with the "when the air is warm" and "when the air is cold" treatments. That probably would have blown your photography budget sky-high, though.
snarly (obizuth) Sat 10 Apr 04 18:41
i was gonna ask who this clever guy was! ok, while we're talking crafts, can you guys share some of your clever ideas about displaying children's art...and so as not to send the child-free running screaming from this topic, maybe some general ideas about displaying photos and collections?
snarly (obizuth) Sat 10 Apr 04 18:41
slippage. i agree, you guys did such a great job making the book look way expensive. my personal fave pic: that olive green and red kitchen. mmmmmmm.
Randall Koll (randallk) Sat 10 Apr 04 18:55
From the book... Kids are inveterate collectors, but in the organized home, a little parental curating is necessary. Step one: Confine the great majority of children's collections to their own rooms. Otherwise, a river of seashells, rocks, airplane models, dolls, or whatever will run rampant through the entire house. Next, establish a rule that when a multitude of new items arrive, some older ones must leave; but let the child decide what has to go. Don't try to secretly remove items. Kids always know immediately when something is missing. Once the ready-for-departure items have been chosen, their destination can be a clearly marked box in a storage space, a friend's room (although this will win you no friendship points with the pal's parents), a children's ward at a local hospital, or a charity re-sale shop. As attractive a choice as the trash bin may seem, this disposal method requires extreme tact -- or dark of night and isn't really fair play. Built-in shelves, freestanding bookcases, and small cabinets are among the easiest ways to create display space in a child's room. If the room is small, hang cabinets or individual cubbies from the wall to keep as much floor space as possible free for playing. For artwork, posters, postcards, and similar collections, an immense bulletin board does the job. For children just past toddler stage, consider using a metal bulletin board with large magnets instead of cork or other material that would require pushpins or thumbtacks. Easy-to-hang plastic shadowboxes are another alternative, and, for older children, clip-glass frames make it simple to change artwork on a whim. Somewhat-battered vintage suitcases often can be can be had for a song at flea markets and tag sales. Fill them with a childís collectibles and then stack in a corner, adding storage and a hint of nostalgia to the room.
Sharon Lynne Fisher (slf) Sat 10 Apr 04 19:20
Plus those nets for stuffed animals. Maggie's Montessori school has each individual lesson in a clear plastic shoebox and she requested the same thing for her room, so we have a bunch of clear Rubbermaid boxes for the Lincoln Logs and the Legos and the horses and so on, and it makes tidying her room a lot easier.
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a meat-vessel, with soul poured in (wellelp) Sat 10 Apr 04 20:36
What's a good target ratio of used vs. open space on places like coffee tables, end tables, night stands, tops of bookshelves? I'm sure it must be somewhat less than my current 100%, three layers deep. And I don't have the room for one perfect vase artfully arranged on a console. Help!
lmc (lmc) Sat 10 Apr 04 21:01
that's a great question, wellelp. in my house, tops of anything are instantly filled with crap.
buy dirt colored carpeting (artlife) Sun 11 Apr 04 15:43
i love the green and red kitchen, too
Randall Koll (randallk) Sun 11 Apr 04 19:06
We love that kitchen too. While we were editing the final galleys for the book, Casey and I were looking at that picture and commenting on the styling. I was sure they had put some sort of weird magnet on the hood to cover some logo or something, and I thought they may have cropped out a photographers power cord. And the cabinets are total staged with fake food, and on and on and on. So here we are looking at the picture A LOT and being all critical - completely missing that the photo number (used by the design dept.) was still right in the middle of the picture. Our editor found it later thank god, or else that picture would have a big bold box with KIT-O9-OH, in it.
put a tiki by the front door (artlife) Sun 11 Apr 04 19:48
plenty of design and mechanical details in laying out a book i noticed a lack of cords on appliances in some photo - styling is greatly facilitated with photoshop!
Randall Koll (randallk) Sun 11 Apr 04 20:34
Surprisingly, many publishers don't use photoshop's correction tools to cover up little things like cords and/or interior design bloopers (to much time and money.) It seems so easy. Yet, still, no. Sunset shot a before and after I styled and the photographer's assistant left an empty roll of film on the back of a chair. The photographer laughed, when he realized what had happened, and said "hello! photoshop!" but it was never fixed in the final print or in the magazine. And there it was (hard to see though) right there for all to see, in the October issue.
Love child of Jackie Onassis & Diana Vreeland (titanic) Sun 11 Apr 04 22:57
one of my favorite pictures is the great wide hall. Love the Grandfather clock and the chest. That's a whole room! The bathroom on page 88 is my goal for my other bathroom. I've mentioned the sidebar topics. The positive household hints are excellent. Also the Eight Quick & Easy ways to increase Kitchen Storage. Which chapter or topic gave you two the most trouble?
Casey Ellis (caseyell) Sun 11 Apr 04 23:09
once we got to the actual writing of each one, we really had no problems. but I was always the doomsayer: "There's not that much to say about mudrooms" or "There are no fucking seasonal changes for bathrooms" but then we'd start typing aways and e-mailing drafts back and forth--and suddenly we'd be finished with another chapter. one other foto incident: our editors--both text and foto--were great--but there was one bedroom foto they didn't like and they chose another they wanted us to use intstead. we weren't mad for the shot, but it was ok--so we're writing the caption and talking about this headboard/room divider creating space behing the bed for storage--and then we decided it also created a nice dressing area. now, remember, we're looking a fairly small transparencies. so the book gets printed and we discover that the wall behind this storage area is all glass--so unless this house stands alone on a windswept hill or in the middle of a forest--the glassed in section of the bedroom probably is not the ideal spot to get all naked/
Randall Koll (randallk) Mon 12 Apr 04 07:39
to answer <wellelp>'s question in post 58: <What's a good target ratio of used vs. open space on places like coffee tables, end tables, night stands, tops of bookshelves?> About 50/50. Space for what you need and room for what you're going to need.
lmc (lmc) Mon 12 Apr 04 09:03
the kitchen space info was helpful to me too. i still have kitchen problems (only one cupboard big enough for pots and pans!) though. i don't want to hang them or put them on racks because my apartment gets so dusty.
Casey Ellis (caseyell) Mon 12 Apr 04 09:22
if, as we say in the book, you'll hang just a single pan--the one you use most often--you'll never stash it away in a cabinet again. lisa, you can dust ONE pan.
snarly (obizuth) Mon 12 Apr 04 11:12
excellent. what are your own home-organizational weaknesses? i know, you're perfect.
gilding the measuring cups (artlife) Mon 12 Apr 04 11:13
when i had a small kitchen, i bought one of those elfa carts with wire baskets and a butcher block top it was amazing how much stuff fit into it - it had a slide out flat tray and i had the breadbox on that! http://www.creativespacesusa.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=405
Randall Koll (randallk) Mon 12 Apr 04 11:15
can I just plead the 5th?
Berliner (captward) Mon 12 Apr 04 12:08
Nope. This is journalism!
Casey Ellis (caseyell) Mon 12 Apr 04 12:09
books and the storage thereof is one of mine--but I'm working on it. it helps that my local library has an excellent program of donated book sales, so I'm inspired to take books I no longer want there. I'm also a monster clipper of magazine articles. I'll never get complete control of this as long as I think: there may be some article/book ideas/sources here. the great-looking gray fabric covered boxes from Hold Everything are helping with this. also, doing the laundry more often would work wonders for the organization of my laundry room. I actually gave away one of my hampers in there withthe thought that I'd have to wash/dry more often if there was less room for soiled stuff. wrong.
lmc (lmc) Mon 12 Apr 04 21:24
one idea that i like very much and will try this weekend with my main clothes closet is the part about taking EVERYTHING out, cleaning it and then putting back in sections. also, in the bathroom the idea of using vintage pitchers/vases, etc for supplies. i have some great, small glass and potter y pieces that will work perfectly and look great.
Randall Koll (randallk) Tue 13 Apr 04 07:05
I'm off to work with design clients today. Some of you may want to take advantage of my absence, and ask Casey pointed questions about what I'm *really* like to work with and what the insides of my closets look like.
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