David Gans (tnf) Wed 9 Jun 04 00:18
Continued from <inkwell.vue.169>
Rip Van Winkle (keta) Wed 9 Jun 04 10:29
Howdy Gaiman's Wolves. I came to Inkwell in the fall of 2001 and you were talking up a storm. And you're still at it! Maybe you could start your new topic by telling us occasional Inkwellers who you are and what you are talking about!
Mary Roane (the-roane) Wed 9 Jun 04 14:29
Um, I'm Mary, I live in Chicago, teach in the inner city, and babble about anything, really. Mostly we talk about Neil, and his excellent genes <<unclenches fists, tries to accept piles of grey hair>> (Sorry, the above is a continuation of a joke from a previous post. I'm not really jealous of Neil at all. Really. Honest.) Frequently we talk about books we love or loved. And goldfish. And cats. What else do we talk about y'all? Mary (who finished Ender's Shadow yesterday, and will not have any OSC until Crystal City, which she just ordered, comes in)
from JOUNI KOPONEN (tnf) Thu 10 Jun 04 00:00
Jouni Koponen writes: Yay. A new topic. Oh, my name is Jouni Koponen and I'm the 'official hang-around weller' since I'm really not a member but I've been around, well since the first Gaiman-topic really... ...but some day, my dear wellers, when there's no powerty or hunger in the world, when all the wars have stopped and men treat each other as equals and when I have a net connection in my home... ...I promise you, ...I WILL become a Well member. Jouni
Will Entrekin (willentrekin) Thu 10 Jun 04 05:58
Will Entrekin. Long time reader, sometime poster. Discovered this topic through the Dreaming (often referenced in Neil's blog), started coming in around 2000. Off and on membership, more on than off. As for what I talk about, well, I think we all talk about everything (isn't the rule of this topic simply that there is no topic? A Zen Cohen, if you will), and so I tend to throw out whatever comments I've got if I've got them. A lot of times I don't, so I don't. I have to admit, I love this topic mainly for its diversity; no matter what comes up, somebody usually has something to say, and the tangents alone were well worth the price of membership. The only thing we really *all* have in common is that we've read something by Neil, and enjoyed it, and happened along here, and found other people into things like Neil and Tori and science fiction and fantasy and Harry Potter and movies and culture and art and beauty and love and all the other wonderfully trivial things we tend to burble on about.
I'm not wearing pants! (notshakespeare) Thu 10 Jun 04 09:42
Back when I was stalking Neil via his GEnie topic, he declared that his topic was about anything that might interest him - mostly that still holds true. Now that this has been going on for a long time, and Neil has his own blog (http://www.neilgaiman.com/journal/journal.asp), he writes here less frequently. But we still talking about his blog here, along with anything that might interest him. However, after doing this so long, we are also talking about things that interest each other. I think I first e-mail a post back in Jan 2001, after getting the link (like Will) from The Dreaming. It took me a year and a half to join the Well - but here I am.
Dodge (clotildes) Thu 10 Jun 04 10:24
Has anybody let Neil know that we froze the last topic and given him the new one? I'm sure he's smart enough to figure this out when he comes though. Duh. I'm from Houston, Texas. I didn't start knowing about Neil until after he'd been to Aggiecon. Darn. And the possibility of him coming down here is remote. Sigh. So I guess I'll have to save my cash and try to make it to one of the places he's going to go during his next book signing.
Dodge (clotildes) Thu 10 Jun 04 15:18
Didn't we have a discussion about Beatles faux groups at one time? Was that here? Well, anyway, there's this group, The Fab Five, here in Houston that do a really good job of sounding like the Beatles. And dressing like them (they just bought striped bell bottoms to wear instead of the tights they were wearing). And so forth. A lady in my office is really really into them and every time they are at a location she thinks I can go to, she makes sure I know all about it. I've used my health as a reason not to go every single time. But, this Friday I'm going. See. There's this woman who used to be a pal of mine many many years ago. A couple of years ago, I realized I hadn't seen her in a while and got in touch and we went to see The Two Towers Lotr. That's when I discovered that, egad! Horrors! This woman was exTREMEly prejudiced! I'd not noticed before and it was a rather subtle thing that I'd apparently ignored in her before but it stuck out suddenly now. I think perhaps she's become more audible about it. And she sends me emails I cringe from. So, I haven't really seen her in the last two years since but she keeps sending emails. So, somehow she found out about the Fab Five playing at Mike's this Friday and wants to go. I gotta go now. She's one of the PPPP people. Perfect hair; Perfect makeup; Perfect nails; Perfect clothes. Yadig? And Mike's is a DIVE of a BAR. Not really really bad but a beer type bar and she's always been a champagne type person. We'll be sitting with my pal from work and about 15 to 20 other fans. And since she's made friends with the band, they'll come to our table during intermission. I want to see how she reacts to us all. A little bit of mischievousness and a little bit of giving her another chance kind of thing. Should be interesting. Hm.
Sharon Lynne Fisher (slf) Thu 10 Jun 04 15:48
So how did you discover by going to LoTR that she was prejudiced? She dissin' elves or something?
Zen Cohen (tinymonster) Thu 10 Jun 04 16:03
Dodge (clotildes) Fri 11 Jun 04 07:17
We were early and were sitting midway up the theatre when a group of young black youths and another group of young hispanic people came in. She turned to me and said "Here comes the denizons of the great unwashed." That was startling but I figured I hadn't heard her right or she didn't mean it the way I thought. Like, she'd just made a tasteless joke or something. Then afterward she declared to me that she loved J.R.R. Tolkien and said he had it right when he made all the good guys in his book white and all the orks and Hurakai and evil people etc. 'darkies'. She expounded at length on the subject. (Yes, I did say something about that.) Then she started sending me emails that made me cringe. I've asked her not to and some of the worst ones have stopped. It's as if, since she became somewhat computer literate, she's sought out all the websites and all the reports that support her narrow and somewhat frightening point of view and it has fed her prejudism so that now she feels no need to keep such biases under wrap because she has justification. See, right there, on the internet. This report. See? It wouldn't be there if it wasn't true, would it? And support. See, there are other people who feel the way I do and they are good Christians, they say so right there, so it must be ok.
I got it on the Internet so it MUST be true! (tinymonster) Fri 11 Jun 04 08:18
<<<shudder>>> I didn't used to want to believe there were people who said stuff like that and were _serious_... but I recently heard about some of the things my friend's landlord says, and it just made me CRAZY. Hey, Dodge, if it's mischief you're after, I've got a little experiment you might like to try. When you see your friend tonight, maybe slip it into the conversation that J.R.R. Tolkien was a _Catholic_. I wonder what would happen...? Sorry I haven't been around much this week, folks. I'll be playing a little catch-up this weekend, I hope.
Sharon Lynne Fisher (slf) Fri 11 Jun 04 10:43
eww. sorry you had to deal with that.
Dodge (clotildes) Fri 11 Jun 04 14:06
Well, I dealt with it by not being available to pal around any more. But email is so easy that she actually keeps in touch with me via that. Used to, I merely had to stop calling her to lose touch. It grieved me because I've known her some 15 years or so and she used to be such fun to go about with. My movie buddy. Dancing buddy. When I got free tickets or she did buddy. I knew that deep down we had little in common but we did like to do the same things and you know when you're single you need a friend who will do things with you.
Cue Jingle: "Sushi -- Eat Fish!" (tinymonster) Fri 11 Jun 04 19:14
Yeah... growing apart stinks. :( Adam and Will -- I don't think Scary Trousers is still up at the same place it used to be; that link broke a long time ago. If you can find it somewhere else, though, then that'll be worth knowing about. Neil -- Oh, look at the little skinny white boy! <inkwell.vue.169.1916> That's a baby picture, all right, and an adorable one. <g> You're just a BOY! And even though it's not the _AG_ picture you told me about, I finally got to see you with long hair! When was that, anyway? (I'm guessing from around when I was Holly's age.) And what was variant about that Sandman? And was Brian Hibbs the artist? The Squeakinator -- New teeny kitten? Pictures! Please, pictures, before the creature gets much bigger! If Kurt's bringing home kittens, I'd say you've got yourself a keeper. ;) Mary -- <You're like a walking commercial for the benefits of eating raw, dead, fish 3 meals a day. ;-)> Really. He could be the Jared of sushi. Safety post. -Christy, who hopes it really does help, as she has happened to crave practically nothing BUT sushi all week
(The women in my family also age at that odd, Neil-like pace... but that just means zits until we're 30) (tinymonster) Fri 11 Jun 04 19:38
Mary cont'd -- <I think it's lovely that you have genes that allow you to look 10-15 years younger than your current age> Indeed. It's a little known fact that this (http://www.neilgaiman.com/gallery/gaiman.asp) was taken when young Neil was 19. <eg> I'll admit, though, that one from 1993 that he originally called "scary" could have been taken this year. He really doesn't seem to have aged. ('Course, it's a teeny picture.) I'll add my welcome to (slf)... though if you've been here before and I just forgot, I apologize. It's been seven topics, ya know? Welcome to (keta), too! Safety post.
Thank you for sharing, (notshakespeare)! (tinymonster) Fri 11 Jun 04 19:56
BTW, nice new topic! :) Yep, it was "The Wolves in the Well," and I was going to suggest that, as usual, something be added to indicate that this was the ongoing Neil convo. So "Neil Gaiman's Wolves in the Well" works great! Thanx, Dave! Hi, Jouni! :D <5> -- <[Neil] declared that his topic was about anything that might interest him - > And 'most everything does, so there ya go! Nice job introducing the topic, everyone. I don't think I could add anything, except maybe that Neil Gaiman is an author (among other things). But that much could probably be gathered by the fact that this is in <inkwell.vue.>. Think that covers everything. G'night!
Martha Soukup (soukup) Sat 12 Jun 04 19:13
My name is Martha Soukup and I started this business of Neil on the Well oh very long ago. But I haven't talked much for a long time, partly because I had this play commission that was driving me nuts and striking me with guilt besides. A play! That's almost as long as a novella! (It's only some hundreds of words shy of novella length, and that's only because the stage notes are very, very spare. I want to see what the director wants to do.) That's _too long_. But mere hours ago I finished the final draft, stage three of a half-year project, and less than a week from now it's being performed as a staged reading. Now I can't decide if I'm less guilty--because it's done--or more guilty--because it took so long and it's just a play. (Traveling Jewish Theatre at 470 Florida in San Francisco, if anyone has nothing better to do next Saturday at 2 p.m. $10 at the door, though I expect like last year they'll accept smaller donations.) (They do get very good actors at PlayGround productions, I can promise that much at least--) http://www.playground-sf.org/bestof.shtml
the poster formerly known as Miss Montrose-Hyman (miss-mousey) Sat 12 Jun 04 20:44
Um, I'm Michelle (a.k.a. anything to do with a mouse, including 'squeaks'). And I admit, I've got a problem. But is there a support group for 'stalkers anonymous'? Ooooh no. (Sorry, I ramble a lot. Yeah.) So, I'm sort of like Neil's favourite stalker. I think that was mostly started as a joke (gawd, I hope so), but it's stuck in the nicest way, so I've kept it. I've been posting on the Well since (I think) the first Neil topic, but I'm much more prolific as a 'Thingie' on the alt.fan.neil-gaiman newsgroup. I've been known to occasionally post on some of the other Well topics too, but not very often. I tend to talk about whatever is on my mind, and stuff I like (which often amounts to the same thing), and whatever I say can probably be condensed to half it's length, but I tend to not know how to do that, so I come across as talking a lot and not having much to say. As for kitten - her name is Polly (and, like a good pirate/parrot, she squawks, sits on your shoulder, and has a black patch (of fur) over one eye). As the runt of the litter, she's growing at about half the rate of her siblings, and will probably only grow to about half the size of Thing e (her big - currently still very mean - 'sister'), but then, Thing is about 12 lbs right now and still not entirely full grown. They're both calicos. And once I process all the photos of wedding, honeymoon, and kitten and put them up on the website, I will post a link here. But as that's something along the lines of 800 photos to process, sift through, and then selectively scan and convert into hypertext, it'll be a while. (I still haven't finished posting all the burning man photos from last year either). I'll get to it, but don't hold your breath. ;) Dodge - That SUCKS! I'm sorry you've had to go through that. ((hugs)) Martha - Nice to see you again! I'd love to go to the reading, but my brother's wife is graduating from UCLA that weekend. When is the actual play being performed, or do you know yet? -squeaks who will, one day, know how to speak more efficiently, but in the meantime, I'll just keep talking really fast. :)
Martha Soukup (soukup) Sat 12 Jun 04 21:50
Oh, heaven knows if the play will ever actually be mounted in a full production rather than in this workshop production. (A staged reading, for the two people who don't know it, is like a regular play, but the actors are still carrying their scripts, rehearsal has been minimal, and there aren't all the costumes and props a full production would have.) Probably I'd have to be, like, _self-promoting_--in an arena, San Francisco theater, I'm very much an outsider to, though I've met a few nice people through PlayGround--and the odds of that....
Zen Cohen (tinymonster) Mon 14 Jun 04 13:21
Congrats on getting it finished, Martha!
Dodge (clotildes) Mon 14 Jun 04 13:37
I hope you'll be putting it in book form some day so those of us who may never see it performed may run out and buy it and read it at least. Went to the Beatle Boys night and danced and closed the place down and got home around 3 am. Paid for it the next day with a bad back and aches in places I probably haven't moved greatly in many years. Ah, well. It was worth it. The Woman stayed until the 2nd intermission and then left. She was there when I arrived with a date who was elderly and he didn't like the loud music. They asked me if I didn't think the band was too loud for this small place. 'Um'. I said. Can't you just FEEL the beat in your chest? they said. 'Um, Yes.' I said. I was nice and didn't say, 'Ain't that the point?'. She didn't like the 'nightclub' as she called it. Closer to a honky tonk but I'm not complaining. I like the more casual air. They will probably take in the Beatles group when they play at The Sands. A much higher class club I understand but it has a $40 cover charge. Whoooeeee. Too much for me to pay when I can go to Mike's for free. She was surprised that a band that can get a gig at Sands would deign to play at Mike's. But they started there and like it. She still looks about 30. And she's older than me. I'd say around 60. But there was no unpleasantness. We chatted between songs then they left. And the rest of us danced the night away. I got to see 2 of the guys without their hair on and they look so different in regular clothes. I don't think I'd recognize them if I passed them on the street. They all have day jobs. Two of them are lawyers. And wives. Well, one has a girlfriend. We had to protect him from The Fan in her absence. We're not the groupies, we're the Moms. Haha. Anyway, loads of fun had by all. And then one of the girls took pictures. Egad. Argh. I look so old! But who cares. When I dance, I'm young again.
Martha Soukup (soukup) Mon 14 Jun 04 16:19
Not owning a publishing house at all, I wouldn't advise people to hold their breath on publication of the playscript! Anyway let's see what the audience thinks of it Saturday....
Neil Gaiman (neilgaiman) Mon 14 Jun 04 21:44
Hullo. I'm something to do with this place, although I'm no longer quite sure what. And I'm thrilled that Martha has finished a full-length play, and that Michelle is married (originally Michelle was Not a Stalker, but probably through murder, blackmail and intimidation she's made it to favourite stalker status). Just finished reading "10% of Nothing" and have decided to go to war against crooked agents & vanity presses.
Martha Soukup (soukup) Tue 15 Jun 04 00:11
Uh-oh. I wouldn't want to be on the other side of a war Neil's taken up.
Dodge (clotildes) Tue 15 Jun 04 11:17
Neil, for this place, you are icing on the cake. We come here now to meet as friends with a common interest (read obsession) - you and your writing - and we talk comfortably about everything. And then you pop in and we get giggly and excited and say, OOOH! Look! Neeeeeiiiiiillllll! SPOKE! Sigh. Happy now. And no, that's not really it. You're here often enough that you're our comfy pal also. One of us. Here. Talking. And sometimes I stand in a store and see a display of your books or read a newspaper that talks about the latest award you won and it feels just a little strange that I feel like you're my pal. LIke my pal I go to the movies with. My pals I go to the gardens with. My pal that's insane over a faux Beatles group. Just like everyone else on this board whom I have never met. Never seen in person. Never heard the voice of. And I come in here and read what Dan and Martha and Squeeks and Tinymonster and everyone is doing and it makes me want to DO things and CREATE things and not just exist from day to day just getting up and getting dressed and going to work. I've got this life here with all of you and just a bit on the rest of the Well, in which I can talk about ANYthing and not face those glassy eyes you get sometimes when you are enthusing with somebody that has NO interest in what you are saying. And I go home and paint and read and write and DO the things I wouldn't do if I hadn't been inspired by all you people here. And I thank you all for welcoming me here.
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