Hoping to be a goddess, but settling for guru (paris) Mon 21 Jun 04 09:42
Ah-ha! Of course! You know, Mary, I marvelled at some of the revenge scenarios you wrote about (can I share a few of them without being a spoiler for the book?). I'm curious: did you make them all up yourself (in which case I will work very hard to stay on your good side!)?
Mary Mackey (mm) Mon 21 Jun 04 10:45
Feel free to share some of your favorites, Libbi. I made them all up myself and they were part of what made the novel so much fun to write.
pooning tang; tanging the poon (viv) Mon 21 Jun 04 11:01
Mary, do you think you'll put Nora and Sam out there again in another mystery (ala Nick & Nora)?
Mary Mackey (mm) Mon 21 Jun 04 13:08
I recently started thinking that I might. I hadn't intended to do a series of comic Nora and Sam mysteries, but I keep having these ideas . . .
Allegro ma non tofu (pamela) Mon 21 Jun 04 13:32
This month's Conde Nast Traveler has a complaint from a traveler to its ombudsman about Iguacu Falls (details unimportant). For once I knew what they were talking about, thanks to SR. I'm not sure I had a favorite revenge scenario--they were all so marvelously realized. But revenge is deep in the human psyche: we really want the scales of justice to be balanced. Only the most evolved of us let go and stop fantasizing.
Hoping to be a goddess, but settling for guru (paris) Mon 21 Jun 04 14:07
I love the idea of a revenge workshop (maybe it's the corporate trainer in me?). I'll be back in a little while with some of my faves.
Mary Mackey (mm) Mon 21 Jun 04 16:24
and I love the idea of a Corporate Training Revenge Workshop, Libbi. Perhaps it could be called: "The Harmony of Revenge."
Hoping to be a goddess, but settling for guru (paris) Mon 21 Jun 04 17:00
Actually, I wish I'd been able to run workshops like that when I worked in large companies. That would've allowed people to vent their frustration towards incompetent managers and supervisors without too much damage to themselves or their careers.
Cynthia Dyer-Bennet (cdb) Mon 21 Jun 04 17:22
Mary, I was lucky enough to have heard you at a book reading, and bought "Sweet Revenge" there. Now that I've read it, I wondered about the revenge fantasies you *didn't* use in the book. It seems to me that many of us have some pretty harsh revenge fantasies that go way beyond the kinds of things you wrote in the book. Did you dream up revenges that you decided not to include? What were they? Did any of them scare you?
Hoping to be a goddess, but settling for guru (paris) Mon 21 Jun 04 17:46
I'll wait for Mary to respond to that question before listing some of my fave revenges from the book...
Cynthia Dyer-Bennet (cdb) Tue 22 Jun 04 12:44
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Mary Mackey (mm) Tue 22 Jun 04 12:53
I intentionally avoided putting any truly evil revenges in the novel because it's a comedy and I don't think revenge is funny unless the victims come out more or less unscathed. Also I didn't want to be responsible for some poorly balanced person seizing on my ideas and hurting (or even killing) someone. What I did discover, as I did research, is that there are several really mean (not at all funny) guides to revenge that you can buy at your local bookstore. I found most of the things they suggested repellent, so, of course I didn't include them.
Mary Mackey (mm) Tue 22 Jun 04 12:54
I think actual ideas for actual revenges and fantasies about revenge fall into two very different categories. Although I did censor actual ideas, I didn't censor the fantasies in the novel as strictly. (As you recall, several of them involved murdering the victim in ways that weren't pleasant- but they were mostly silly, impractical ways like throwing the victim in a Time Machine and sending them back to 1348 to get bubonic plague.). As the leader of revenge fantasy seminars, Nora;s problem is that many people don't appreciate the difference between fantasy and reality-between dreaming of a revenge or acting it out. This is what gets her in real trouble. As for being scared of my fantasies-even the most violent ones-I never am. As a fiction writer I am very clear on the difference between fantasy and reality and know for a fact that I am totally incapable of hurting another person in any serious way. So fantasy is a free-play zone for me, and being a Protestant (actually an ex-Methodist) I only believe that it's what you do that counts as a sin; not what you think.
Hoping to be a goddess, but settling for guru (paris) Tue 22 Jun 04 17:18
I've heard that line before, Mary! So here are a couple of my favorite revenge fantasies: "Flag down a couple of Mormon missionaries who are always riding around on bicycles and tell them he (your ex) wants them to come over to his house and tell him the good news If he's already a Mormon, call up the Baptists and invite them to his place to help him understand the error of his ways." There's advice about exponentially increasing the amount of spam in someone's email box and one scenario that involves being tied up with duct tape and forced to watch Water World and Ishtar. My fave, though, is the 'fax of death', but I think I might withhold the details in case anyone decides to try it on me!
Mary Mackey (mm) Tue 22 Jun 04 21:19
Good move, Libbi. Fax of Death is really wicked and really easy.
Sharon Lynne Fisher (slf) Wed 23 Jun 04 12:57
I once broke up with someone and theoretically considered the notion of calling the IRS on him. I didn't, and I didn't even tell anyone about it at the time, but the IRS did indeed show up and seize some of his assets. Mary, are you done writing the horse books?
Mary Mackey (mm) Wed 23 Jun 04 17:36
I have a fourth book sketched out, so I may write #4 in the Earthsong Trilogy (which then will have to be called at "tetrology" I suppose). Have I mentioned anywhere that the whole trilogy just came back into print with cool new covers? You can go to iUniverse.com and search Mary Mackey if you want to take a look at them, or you can go to my web page at www.marymackey.com
Hoping to be a goddess, but settling for guru (paris) Wed 23 Jun 04 18:53
Do you have any ideas for another comic novel in the works, Mary? I'm curious if these comic novels are easier to write than the historical novels?
Won Ton woman of multimedia (nondas) Wed 23 Jun 04 21:21
Is the research at least easier?
Mary Mackey (mm) Thu 24 Jun 04 14:49
Comic novels require very little research--a few months will suffice. Historical novels take at least a year to reasearch if you are going to do them properly and accurately. I have long lists of ideas for novels, some comic, some not. Kate Clemens and Mary Mackey are very busy girls when it comes to dreaming up plots.
Hoping to be a goddess, but settling for guru (paris) Thu 24 Jun 04 16:02
Not at all surprising, from what I know of you, Mary! Can you share some of your adventures from your recent trip to the Amazon (the river, not the web site)? I know this isn't connected to the novel, but I'm sure there are some amazing tales to be told about the trip.
Mary Mackey (mm) Fri 25 Jun 04 13:16
Going to strange (and preferably dangerous) places is all part of the writer's life. When I was a girl, I noticed that famous novelists (who at the time-Jane Austen and George Eliot excepted-were almost all men), did adventurous things like sail around the world on whaling ships or go up the Congo River in a broken-down steam boat. I decided when I grew up and became a writer, I would not let being female get in the way. So ever since I turned twenty-one, I have been throwing myself into unusual situations in exotic places for the hell of it and because I think a writer who lives an interesting life writes better. Someday, I may get around to working on a memoir of my experiences which I should probably entitle: "My Life as Hemingway", but that will be a while yet.
Mary Mackey (mm) Fri 25 Jun 04 13:17
All this is to explain why, only a few weeks ago, I returned from a 16 day canoe trip through the drowned jungles of the upper Amazon (or to be more specific, the Rio Negro which is one of the two rivers that flow together in Brazil at Manaus to form the Amazon). At this time of year, the Rio Negro floods an area the size of California to a depth of from 30 to 60 feet, leaving on the tops of the trees out of the water. So as you canoe through them, you see all the wildlife (which has no other place to go, indeed almost no solid ground to stand on). I went about 2000 miles in all and saw four settlements. Two (Novo Airao and Barcelos) were towns you could walk across in about 20 minutes. The other two were collections of fourteen and ten huts respectively. There was no cell phone service, no internet, no news. But there were hundreds of pink freshwater dolphins, monkeys, brightly colored macaws, flocks of parrots, lung fish, alligators, piranhas, snakes, tarantulas, purple and white orchids, herds of wild pigs, electric eels, nasty biting spiders, delicious tropical fruits, scorpions, and some of the most vicious, cannibalistic blackflies I have ever had the pleasure to encounter.
Cynthia Dyer-Bennet (cdb) Fri 25 Jun 04 14:50
> I went about 2000 miles in all... By canoe? (imagining you with Popeye arms)
Hoping to be a goddess, but settling for guru (paris) Fri 25 Jun 04 15:34
Any exciting adventures with those piranha?
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