The WELL: inkwell.vue.220: Jay Kinney, _The Inner West_

#100: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Thu 26 Aug 04 14:17

Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:17:00 PDT

Incentive to write another book! [Read entire topic]

#99: Jay Kinney (jay-kinney) Tue 24 Aug 04 23:18

Tue, 24 Aug 2004 23:18:00 PDT

I sure wish I could buy a garage in my own neighborhood. I've had to park my car on the street in a different spot every time I come back from using it, for the last 28 years. Sometimes twice a day. In San Francisco. Luckily, the Hail Mary parking prayer works fairly well...

I just stopped back by, on a whim, to see if anything further was posted in this topic...and there was Bobby's thank you note, which I'd not seen before.

We'll have to do this again sometime! ;-) [Read entire topic]

#98: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Thu 19 Aug 04 11:30

Thu, 19 Aug 2004 11:30:00 PDT

Neither one of you bought a garage? [Read entire topic]

#97: Bobby Lilly (bobbyl) Sun 15 Aug 04 20:13

Sun, 15 Aug 2004 20:13:00 PDT

Jonl,

I have to laugh, because, given this extended opportunity to post, the only thing I could think of to write about just now is how grateful I feel. I really want to thank you for your tireless blogging efforts which have pointed me to many thought-provoking links over the years, including the John Smiley interview which in turn, led to a very "interesting" two week experience here with Jon. It must have been synchronicity at work, once again, in my life ;-).

Jay, Thank you for your book. It's given me much to think about over these next months and has helped me move toward a better understanding of the search for spiritual truth here in the West.

I appreciated the opportunity to explore the many paths that are part of our heritege. No matter what path I looked at, I found universal truths there for the learning, if one is ready to learn.

I have you to thank for pointing me in this direction as well as this time together on line and, to think, I owe it all to your "male" intuition ;-).

Hearing what intuition is trying to say, let alone daring to trust it enough to follow where it leads, is a lesson that can take many years to learn. Thank you for trusting yours when you asked me to join you here. Had a great time yesterday walking and talking and finding some fantastic bargains in Bernal Heights. Now I understand WHY it's considered the best garage sale in the city. [Read entire topic]

#96: Jay Kinney (jay-kinney) Sun 15 Aug 04 00:03

Sun, 15 Aug 2004 00:03:00 PDT

Bobby and I had the chance to meet up in person today, wandering around Bernal Heights looking at the neighborhood garage sales. I resisted the chance to purchase Annie Sprinkle's used underwear. Only in San Francisco.

I'll be happy to field any more questions, though I may not see them until Sunday afternoon. ;-) [Read entire topic]

#95: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sat 14 Aug 04 21:31

Sat, 14 Aug 2004 21:31:00 PDT

Thanks especially to you, Jay, and to Bobby! This conversation was scheduled through yesterday, Friday the 13th, but the next conversation is delayed until Monday so we didn't say goodbye quite yet.

This has been a wonderful conversation, and you can feel free to continue as time permits, even though we reached the official end date. That's never set in stone. [Read entire topic]

#94: Jay Kinney (jay-kinney) Fri 13 Aug 04 12:51

Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:51:00 PDT

gary,

My own paths have included a modern-day approach to Gnosticism and work with Sufism (via friends in Turkey and a local Ibn 'Arabi studygroup). I've also been heavily involved for the past few years with Freemasonry, which has some esoteric and spiritual aspects, although those aspects mostly depend on one's own self-guided study.

My choices of these things and not others were largely due to happenstance and "chance" running into people or groups. Of course they weren't really chance, for like attracts like. As for my earliest introduction to esoteric matters and interest in them, we can blame Stan Lee and Steve Ditko's "Dr. Strange" in the old Marvel comics in the 60s. <g>

I'm happy to hear that you've enjoyed the discussions here. So have I. My thanks to Bobby, Jon, and the whole Well crew. And thanks to those of you who've participated. [Read entire topic]

#93: gary (ggg) Fri 13 Aug 04 05:18

Fri, 13 Aug 2004 05:18:00 PDT

someone from another country and i were talking and when i came to mention america's ethnic diversity they summed it up in one word: salad.

i like that. step up to the salad bar.

of course it's the imperative of our time.

<jay>, before you leave us for your nonpaying deadlines and all, i wonder have we covered *your* particular inner traditions, as practiced. that is, given your extensive, comprehensive, lucid map of the variety of traditions and techne, in the book(s) -- of them, on which path(s) do your feet tread ?\

what went into making your choices?

why one and not another?

(i won't ask the prufrock question: ' has it been worthwhile ')

this has been a genuinely illuminating convivia with you, for which I'm very deeply and sincerely grateful [Read entire topic]

#92: Joy Lindsey-Mitchell (joyam) Fri 13 Aug 04 01:11

Fri, 13 Aug 2004 01:11:00 PDT

I see no way to accomplish such an extensive healing here except as one gains wisdom and understanding of the divisions. I see no short cuts. To go forward refusing to acknowledge the difficulty of a Democracy with two non integratable sets of principles is to seek compromise between thought systems that lead to two very different views of reality, public policies, priorities, values and actions. It is not that I want to experience the difficulties and outcomes from such a divide, it is in my face everyday.

There may be common ground in this divide, but I see no national process for that at all. I am afraid that it is a question of overcoming the fundamentalists in certainly other ways than violence. Fundamentalist do not compromise. They seek to control upon higher authority than humanity. [Read entire topic]

#91: Jay Kinney (jay-kinney) Thu 12 Aug 04 23:43

Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:43:00 PDT

Joy wrote:

"I see the collision not just in terms of East/West traditions or the old world cultures that clash with modernity. I see this same collision in every country and of course most clearly here in the homeland. The conflict is innernational,not just international. What do you see about the cultural collisions here?"

There are bound to be collisions everywhere and in any era. The ones I was referring to on my web-site were those specifically triggered by the Internet. Obviously, there are also cultural collisions within 21st century America, where you have large conflicting subcultures that operate from contradictory belief systems.

My interest is not so much in seeing one side win over the other or in making those differences go away. I think human diversity is crucial and valuable. I would like, however, to find a way to enable people with wildly diverging worldviews to live side by side and not feel obliged to kill each other. That's a real challenge and one worth solving. [Read entire topic]