Inkwell: Authors and Artists
Gina Spadafori (giori) Sun 22 Oct 06 13:15
You know ... I don't know that much about it. But it's a great topic for the next books. (Which we're already starting on.)
Fawn Fitter (fsquared) Sun 22 Oct 06 15:59
Oh, say more about the next books, then!
Gina Spadafori (giori) Sun 22 Oct 06 16:30
We've definitely signed on for "Why Do Horses Sleep Standing Up?" which will be out in the fall. We're planning one more cat and one more dog book in the series. And then, we have about four other projects that are too iffy to discuss. The great thing is that I've found my dream co-author: He's smart, fun to work with and really knows his stuff. Plus, he can promote books like nobody's business. This is good, because I don't like that part of it. I prefer to stay home and hang with the critters.
With catlike tread (sumac) Mon 23 Oct 06 09:03
I really liked the "Never Mind Doctor's Orders" story in which your co-author goes on TV, tells everyone they should never let their dogs lick them on mouth, goes home, and gets a big hello from his dogs including enthusiastic tongue kissing---"emotion got in the way of logic"!
Fawn Fitter (fsquared) Mon 23 Oct 06 10:09
So why DO dogs drink out of the toilet?
virtual community or butter? (bumbaugh) Mon 23 Oct 06 10:50
I can't believe we took this long to get to that question!
Amy Keyishian (superamyk) Mon 23 Oct 06 16:06
So sorry it took me till now to get to this great discussion -- I have the "cat" book though I consider myself to be equally enamored of both species. It was a great read, a lot of fun, and I was pleased that I wasn't too ignorant about a lot of the questions in the book. I did want to say, though, that when you discussed teeth-brushing, you asked, "Have you ever seen a cat that just loved that minty flavor?" Actually, I did have an insane cat named Frida who would waitwaitwait for me to put peppermint conditioner on my head, and then basically transform herself into an obese hairy helmet. She was: obsessed. Whether this means I could have brushed her teeth with Aim, I don't know, but she did love that minty smell, and my other cats couldn't have cared less. Anyway, I have a question I thought you might have experience with: my sister's cat Homer has a weird form of OCD that causes him to lick himself obsessively. His tummy is one big bald spot. Her vet has put him on kitty antidepressants, but he still does this. He started when they moved from NYC to SF. He is not in distress otherwise -- he is, in fact, a big galoot who seems pretty pleased with himself most of the time. And he's not hurting himself -- nothing is oozing or raw. What is this disorder, and are there any other avenues she should be exploring? Also, when I meet dogs, I always blow gently (REALLY gently) into their faces so they can smell my breath; they seem to really like this. That is, they sniff my breath like they're getting some information about me. Are they?
Gina Spadafori (giori) Tue 24 Oct 06 06:36
First things first: The toilet. Animals instinctive avoid standing water, preferring running creeks to brackish ponds. Bowls of water sit around, and even if changes regularly, made be refilled rather than cleaned and refilled. Plus, the plastic or metal may impart a slight taste. And then, there's the toilet. The water is frequently changed, the surface area is bigger, allowing for more evaporation so the water is cooler, and the fixture itself probably doesn't impart much taste and also keeps the water cooler. It's a home-based spring, in the dog's opinion, and oh-so convenient. Of course, dogs don't really think about the bacteria, cleaning chemicals and the aesthetic preferences of human housemates. So ...keeping the lid closed will keep the dog out.
Gina Spadafori (giori) Tue 24 Oct 06 06:48
We've been getting lots of "yeah, buts" -- "you say cats don't do/like X, yeah but MY cat ..." Thing is, of course, that animals are individuals, as we are. I hate mayonnaise. Really, really loathe it. In fact, it makes me queasy to think about it. In the general population, I am surely in the minority. Some cats like mint. Some dogs like dandelion greens (my old retriever girl does). But overall, these carnivores prefer meat. As for the OCD, the next step would be a referral to a veterinary behaviorist, such as at the Veterinay Medical Teaching Hospital at UCD. But if he's not hurting himself and he's happy, I'd generally advise living with the bald spot. If he's an indoor cat, more exercise (interative play, such as with a laser pointer or kitty fisher) might help. (Most dogs and cats, like most humans, don't get near enough exercise.) And yes, the dogs are digging the identifying information on your breath. But PLEASE STOP blowing into dog's faces, however gently. You're going to run into a dog who really, really doesn't like it, considers it an insult to his dominance, and that dog will nail you.
Fawn Fitter (fsquared) Tue 24 Oct 06 09:23
Believe it or not, my cat used to drink out of the toilet in my old apartment. I wish I had a picture of her, perched precariously on the seat, one front paw bracing herself against the edge of the bowl. She never fell in, somehow.
Paulina Borsook (loris) Tue 24 Oct 06 10:49
i have heard the explanation about animals prefering fresher water before --- and this makes sense. what has been puzzling me the last nine months (i have been a close cat-observer for 35+ yrs) is an indertent experiment of my own creation: i accidentally left my 2 1/2 gallon watering can this past winter in such a place near my front porch that it filled up with rain runoff from my roof. ALL the neighborhood cats -love- drinking from this: yogi, keiko, bonnie, peaches, max, pink, bizsnatch... which i find odd --- because water that's been sitting around in a watering can is NOT fresh. i am sure some of it has to do with position: they get to stand on my deck and stick their heads into the watering can...anyway, the watering can has become my own private nabe treetops for cats, enough so that when the dry season came, i would refill the can once/week just so the cats could enjoy the water so dispensed this way. it is odd, though...these cat are NOT ferals and have water of their own at home with their kindly owners...
Amy Keyishian (superamyk) Tue 24 Oct 06 12:20
Paulina Borsook (loris) Tue 24 Oct 06 16:39
'okay! okay!' = ?
Gail Williams (gail) Tue 24 Oct 06 18:17
(I am going to guess her reponse is to an earlier disagreement with something she said... looking back now... another typical braided conversation... I'm guessing: from inkwell.vue.284.57 > Also, when I meet dogs, I always blow gently (REALLY gently) into > their faces so they can smell my breath; they seem to really like this. > That is, they sniff my breath like they're getting some information > about me. Are they? From inkwell.vue.284.58: > And yes, the dogs are digging the identifying information on your > breath. But PLEASE STOP blowing into dog's faces, however gently. > You're going to run into a dog who really, really doesn't like it, > considers it an insult to his dominance, and that dog will nail you. From inkwell.vue.284.62: > > okay! okay!
Paulina Borsook (loris) Tue 24 Oct 06 18:24
thanx, gail! i get easily confused...
Paul B. Israel (pauli) Tue 24 Oct 06 19:16
I'm enjoying learning all sorts of new things about animals. As a cat person I will have to check out the book on cats. I'm happy to say that I didn't do too bad on the cat test. Out of the fifteen questions I missed five. The questions I missed were eye color at birth, which has the most acute hearing (dog, cat, human), years in a cat's life equal to humans, speed of a cat, and number of pet cats in US and Canada.
Elaine Sweeney (sweeney) Wed 25 Oct 06 08:11
My cats are forever educating me on their preference on where they want their water and food dishes. It's interesting to watch the choices - presently the water dish in the bedroom wins out over the one in the kitchen.
Steve Bjerklie (stevebj) Wed 25 Oct 06 09:41
Why do some dogs eat shit?
Cynthia Dyer-Bennet (cdb) Wed 25 Oct 06 11:16
(because dogs drool and cats rule?????) Gina, I have friends who insist that their dog or cat feels embarrassed when caught making a mistake or looking "foolish." One part of me thinks that's just not possible, that a sense of embarrassment is too complex for your average house pet. But sometimes I see something in my own cats' behavior that looks like embarrassment. I know you can't say for sure, but do you suspect they're capable of that emotional state?
Teleological dyslexic (ceder) Wed 25 Oct 06 11:52
One of my ridgebacks ran away from the ones that purchased him. After they got home five hours later they called us and told us what happened. We took the rest of our pack and went to the location where he ran away after about two hours he ran passed us then came to us. I supposed he was checking. Ever since he never passes a puddle without drinking. We think he was heading home until he heard us then backtracked. I canceled the check and we kept him.
Gina Spadafori (giori) Wed 25 Oct 06 12:42
Dogs are scavengers and feces contain nutritional elements. Coprophagia is actually much more common than people realize. Cat feces are especially attractive because cats excrete protein. Do you want to know more, or is that enough?
Gina Spadafori (giori) Wed 25 Oct 06 12:44
I doubt they do embarassment as we understand it. I think they are reacting in some way to something not being right as past experiences have shown them it should be. And we READ that as being how we'd react emotionally.
Paulina Borsook (loris) Wed 25 Oct 06 13:09
and as for the cats loving drnking from the watering can,' this is different from the well-known 'my cat is always telling me where it wants its food/water' that -all- the cats in the nabe LOVE the water in the watering can --- is unique, in my experience...
Gail Williams (gail) Wed 25 Oct 06 13:18
Maybe it's mineral water, with a little needed iron or zinc or copper from the can.
Paulina Borsook (loris) Wed 25 Oct 06 13:54
cats on mineral water! hadnt thot about that...like a salt lick for deer!
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