David Walley (dvdgwalley) Sun 11 Apr 99 09:31
I think it's the third essay and it's called"Blame It on the Sixties" it's thesis is that there was maybe a short window when everything was together, when the "heads" were influential, that by the late Sixties, the impetus has shifted, when "heads" became" hippies" and teenage consumerism, or better, psychedliec consumerism reared its ugly head--that's the essay where I go into the distinction betyween hipsters, beatnicks, heads, hippies and dopers, where I quote from Kip Cohen who used to manage the Fillmore East, whre I quote from Patricia Kennealy (Morrison) about Woodstock. Speaking about Kelpfer, you talk to him? My how he's risen in the rcord biz dfood chain. Too bad you didn't talk to Danny Goldberg who's a survivor if there ever was one. Sidetrip: I"m amused that The Well has been sold (taken over by) Salon.com---if they wanted to be New YOrk Magazine/New Yorker under Tina Brown, they could have done no better than to get involved with salon.com---they're entirely too hip for me, used to read it, got turned off by their incessant trendiness, is it just me? I'bve been tempted to to into that discussion group but I think they'd just yell at me. As it is, it seems that they're all bored with what I have to say in my own little area and now they're rabbiting on about this new piece of gossip---what think you?
Carol Brightman (brightman) Sun 11 Apr 99 19:57
I think you should bring your thoughts re Salon into that discussion group where it would make some waves. I don't know Salon from shalom and have checked into the topic to find out. I'm not illuminated. As for the drying up of your topic, it billowed and rampaged along in a most interesting way, I thought, for a very long time. Now I remember where I heard that Blaming-it-on-the 60s title--from my early reading of your convo. Now that I have your book and I'll check it out myself. I'm deep in Media Conference #1679 on the US/NATO bombing. Great urls.The internet at its best I think.
David Walley (dvdgwalley) Mon 12 Apr 99 07:10
I've taken your advice and dropped the big one into that placid little pond mincing about Salon.com. It should be good for a laugh. Actually since it's just you and I talking here (it appears) it seems that the problem with inkwell.vue is that it only has a very, very small audience if you start reading who's saying what. Which is ok I suppose but not what I had in mind. Oh well, at least we've had a chance to chat a bit on line with whoeverinhell else looking in. I think that whenyou do read TNB, especially "Blaing It on the Sixties" you'll get this acid rush of presque or deja vu---our books just about touch in their mmphasis. I just try to cover ehwe aterfront so to speak and show how that swing period between Woodstock and Alatmont and the year thereafter changed, and what changed, how culture became masscult, and what the ramifications of that have been through the years to having a Teenage Nervous Breakdown which is what we as a culture are suffering from as we lurch into the next millenium. I've been reading your book piecemeal, dribs and drabs, paragraphs here and there and get the picture. As I said, I was never a big Deadhead though I did meet Mister Jerry at a pivotal time in my life. I guess I was just an east coast head and I thought of the Dead as being quintessentially qest coast or more p[eculiarly Bay area. Now I would have moved to the Bay area in the late Seventies had I not gotten a job with CBS records in advertising, but that's another story, if I had moved to the Bay area, I wouldn't be writing you now, that's for sure, nor would I have written TNB or the novels inbetween. I don[t live my life as coulda,woulda shoulda. I'm still trying to live in the "is-ness" of being, practicing stuff I picked up from Cat's Cradle, "as it was supposed to happen", know what I mean?
Cynthia Heimel (plum) Mon 12 Apr 99 11:59
only twenty five people have visited this morning. THe past some of the most prolific posters on the well have visited. Maybe you are not alone. Then again, maybe you are.
Andrew Brown (andrewb) Mon 12 Apr 99 12:12
you're all alone. No one's reading. Trust me .
Cynthia Heimel (plum) Mon 12 Apr 99 14:42
they will be when you're interviewed, Andrew.
Andrew Brown (andrewb) Tue 13 Apr 99 07:15
YOu make it sound like an invitaiton to feed Mike Tyson
David Walley (dvdgwalley) Tue 13 Apr 99 08:13
Jesus, Cynthia, you really are just too much for words! Nice piece in the NY Times, I think I'll not come over to your apartment for a drink.
Cynthia Heimel (plum) Tue 13 Apr 99 10:53
You tell everyone here that if they have writer's block they should *Grow up Already!* You tell all the well people who have been here for years how they should view their acquisition by Salon. I left your own topic, where you were declaiming your insulting views on feminism, because it's your topic and you have a right, but please, you want us all to be gape-jawed in wonderment at your pronouncements? Think again, suicide boy.
Martin Kelly (riffraff) Tue 13 Apr 99 11:25
No, <plum>, you should be _happy_. Read his post again.
Andrew Brown (andrewb) Tue 13 Apr 99 11:48
Have I missed something in the Times?
Carol Brightman (brightman) Tue 13 Apr 99 20:31
ditto Cynthia--can you url it?
an alternative mike in the theatre of the mind (jberger) Sat 1 May 99 21:02
I thought of this conference when I saw this article: http://www.mercurycenter.com/premium/world/docs/lsd01.htm (this will only be there for 7 days). From the first few paragraphs: Suit accusing CIA of LSD poisoning comes to an end Reuters NEW YORK -- A jury Friday ruled against the estate of an artist who said he was driven mad by a clubfooted CIA agent who slipped LSD into his drink in 1952. In a case involving a dead plaintiff, a dead defendant and a dead judge, the suit revolved around the activities of the late Sidney Gottlieb, head of the CIA's Cold War efforts to control the human mind. ... The case had been waiting for 16 years to go to trial. If you were on the jury, looking into the CIA's activities; and the plaintiff, defendant, AND the judge all died, wouldn't you rule in their favor very quickly?
Carol Brightman (brightman) Tue 4 May 99 10:36
YES! What a find. I'm writing the intro to the paperback right now and maybe it will find a way in. I didn't know about the clubfoot. Central casting. From all I've read, the story is totally credible. What's interesting is that CIA folk were all over Europe, especially Paris, in the early 50s, many hobnobbing with artists and writers (out of which came the Congress for Cultural Freedom). This is a social fact with political implications that you would expect to have turned up in serious novels and films. Instead, only the spooks working the third world beat are the ones who've made it into the literature.
a dead plaintiff, a dead defendant and a dead judge (jberger) Thu 6 May 99 15:15
The clubfoot turned out to be instrumental in helping the artist find out that this man was CIA. Interesting spin in the writing, after fifteen years of the War on Some Drugs: "LSD Poisoning"; artist "driven mad" by a single dose. I suppose "Artist blames CIA dosing for twenty years of surrealist paintings" sounds more like something The Onion would write.
an alternative mike in the theatre of the mind (jberger) Mon 10 May 99 08:01
The San Jose Mercury News printed the AP story by Jerry Harkavy about Carol and "Sweet Chaos". Nothing new for those following this topic, but a nice picture of Carol at home. I see we have the same housekeeper...
Cynthia Dyer-Bennet (cdb) Mon 10 May 99 15:29
Got a URL for that, jberger?
an alternative mike in the theatre of the mind (jberger) Mon 10 May 99 16:58
Cynthia Dyer-Bennet (cdb) Wed 12 May 99 14:24
Carol Brightman (brightman) Wed 12 May 99 20:29
re the clubfoot story: it wouldn't have been a single dose of LSD. Could have been BZ (see Ch 5 in Sweet Chaos) or DMZ, or if LSD then laced with god knows what. And you're right. A "single" dose? I like the AP story because it shows Coby looking up at me with the loving eyes that only a dog can muster.
Carol Brightman (brightman) Wed 12 May 99 20:33
By the way, I just read there's a Gothic magazine out of the West Coast called MK-ULTRA!!
mover's and shaker's (dwaite) Thu 20 May 99 13:38
Bill was one of my hero's too... relating to an earlier thread His book gave me much insite to NYE shows and one person in particular always reminding folks not to forget the parsley... :-) I was teaching CPR to a group of folks for BGP the day his death was announced. Several of us drove over to Marin, past his house to pay tribute to a man, that truly cared about the music. I think he would be appalled at the idea of a *new* Filmore in Denver. While he was a marketeer, up there with the best of them, I found his scrupples endearing to the fans, and tried not to make reality too plastic or odd.
Carol Brightman (brightman) Sat 22 May 99 15:50
It would be good to get Candace in on this, because of all the people I talked to about Bill Graham she was the one who had the least patience for his monomania, or moments of monomania, and his need for admiration, etc. But even she seems to feel a real fondness when she rememebers certain moments thogether, like breaking out the the "stash" (the confiscated booze) togehter after New Year Eve's shows and running the night backwards for each other. heir mutual love of "show," of shows.
David Gans (tnf) Sun 23 May 99 08:18
We could probably get a guest membership for Candace if she'd like to join us.
Carol Brightman (brightman) Mon 24 May 99 19:41
She's busy moving out of that house of hers, so I doubt if she'd sit down to this right now. I'll mention it next time we talk.Actually she may be out here in around ten days. Re Bill Graham, I always thought of him as the r&r counterpart to Joe Papp--similar strengths, similar weaknesses. But being in the pop culture business, he was never taken with the same seriousness. There was no Shakespeare in the Park for Bill though he tried as much with the Lincoln Center shows in the early 70s. Who was the "talent"? The WHO?
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