Brett Chulada (brett-chulada) Thu 26 Apr 07 18:25
ganz can have it for free. the birth of lyrics is an interesting topic. always waiting for that first line. never know when it's coming. at work, asleep, beyond drunk. anytime, anywhere. when you get the first line it usually starts a theme for the song, depending on what's happening in your life or whatever's on your mind. once you sense a theme, the rest of the words sort of take shape. i've had great first lines and themes that never fully developed. so many pieces waiting for their puzzle. it's best when you get way more than what you need. choosing three out of eight verses is ideal, pick and choose what works best for what you're trying to convey. this is the best thing about creating music as well as the most frustrating. best 'cause it's exciting the not knowing where or why these words come upon you. frustrating becuse you have no control over where or why these words come upon you. when my output is running hot i'll have two or three songs working at once. then a month or so of nothing, but it's always changing. most times the music comes first. a chord pattern sets a mood and then a melody. once that's established the words fill in the melody. elizabeth phrazier of 'the cocteau twins' is an amazing singer. at their peak she just sang sounds. no words just sounds. i can't concieve how she could've remembered what to sing without language. i guess she wasn't much of a smoker. freeway migliore is a very talented person. that's absolutley his god given name. road food doesn't affect him in a negative fasion. he's fucking hilarious. tough like a walnut. born to do what he does. awesome multi-instrumentalist. super-pro. yadda yadda yadda. we're very lucky to have him in our camp. sound is so important, he acts as a sixth member. best venue? based on sound, experience, draw? adam nailed it. redding was awesome, yet such a hole! agate hall at the university of oregon, best sound ever. maybe 10 kids in this huge hall, kinda sad. but the sound! natural hall reverb, so rich and powerful. didn't matter how empty then. we played the sweetwater in mill valley last week and they had just put in a brand new sound system. pretty fuckin' good. clear without being to loud. bottom of the hill always sounds good to me. i wish that i could hear through the moniter's on stage what the room is hearing. i get a trace but i never really hear what freeway is doing as far as reverb and effects. what a shame. as a guitar player i can hear clearly the effects, and so manipulate them on the spot. i would love to work effects vocally, but in even the best venues that's not an option. maybe someday.
tub of homogenous filth (tpy) Thu 26 Apr 07 18:30
I'm so sorry i missed y'alls set at BOTH. I heard you were great. When it comes to looping, have you ever heard the band loop!station and if so, what do you think of their focus on this aspect of performance? does it seem cheesy and not ROCK enough are you more interested in the end lush result so you dont give a rats ass?
Brett Chulada (brett-chulada) Thu 26 Apr 07 19:15
loop!station...awesome! we shared a bill at the sweetwater. a great approach to looping. such an amazing musician, the cello player. that doesn't feel like cheating. beautiful music is ROCK even without rock. beauty rocks! rock is nothing without beauty, beauty is beauty despite rock.
Gabriel Leis (gummyazul) Fri 27 Apr 07 11:04
Let's give a brief glossary of the terms: Looping refers to on the spot recording and playback of music in continuous loops. You can layer music on music, often also incorporating half time or reverse playback. Many, many, artists do this effectively, from Radiohead to loop!station, and as they are creating and performing their loops live, can't argue much about the technology. Sampling usually refers to pre-recorded bits of sound. These are stored in electronic banks and can be triggered with a key pad, but often also with piano keys or drum pads. They can be set to loop (repeat) as well, but are most often used as single sound triggers. A sequence is a pre-recorded and arranged piece of music. You press play at the beginning, and the sequence runs through the piece of music, playing the appropriate instruments in the places they have been assigned. In general, there is not much you can do to a sequence as it runs, you can just play along to it, and it will be the same every time. The industry has already decided that if you sequence your voice, it's not ok. Even for the most base pop stars, the public requires you to sing and not sing along. If we use that set of standards, then why is it okay to play along to bass parts without a bass player, or keyboard parts when there is no keyboard on stage? Of course the audience decides what is ok and what is not, but most listeners cant even differentiate between the instruments, let alone look onstage and realize that no-one is creating the sounds you're hearing. So because of my knowledge of the tools, I've become a more critical listener. Ignorance is bliss, indeed!
Gabriel Leis (gummyazul) Fri 27 Apr 07 11:14
As to the topic of lyrics and their source, we are at the mercy of the muse. Of course if you pray to it, and nurture it and spend time with it, it will visit more frequently, but we are tossed about on it's whims, and rise and fall with the tides from another realm. Every bit of it a gift, you give thanks and pray for more. I've did a tour with Dan the Automator, playing guitar in his band, so I've been fortunate enough to see and play in some spectacular venues in the west. The El Rey in LA was a sold-out sight to behold. Bimbo's is by far the best club in SF to see a band you love. Oh please, oh please, oh please can we play there? Speaking of.... most of us were there last night for The Cornelius Band. Exhilirating, exciting, and crushing as well. We truly are not worthy, and I think it's best to quit music now, and leave it to the Cornelius's of the world. Yep, that fucking good.
Brett Chulada (brett-chulada) Fri 27 Apr 07 14:33
yah, i quit. cornelius killed my dreams.
Gail Williams (gail) Fri 27 Apr 07 15:04
Har! What do you guys think of music and images, music and film, music and theater, music and spectacle... Have you made music videos? Would you let your music be used in a movie? What kind of flick? What's the musical or rock opera you'd create if you got a fat commission for the work, etc, etc ? That touches on visuals, and also on stories.
Adam Perry (adamice9) Fri 27 Apr 07 19:05
Speaking of sequences, I'm watching Of Montreal on the live Coachella webcast right now and am extremely disappointed. No drummer or bassist in sight, just a bunch of music going on while two guitarists and a keyboardist prance around the stage doing their best Roxy Music imitation. Two of my favorite bands, Ween and They Might Be Giants, made it big before they had more than a drum machine, microphones and two guitars on stage...but Of Montreal just doesn't hit me as particularly original or captivating, and those bands certainly STILL do. Anyway, we have not done a "music video" yet...but you can see live performances of our songs "coming down" and "winter's love" (from the Arspace Warehouse and Rickshaw Stop, respectively) at http://www.myspace.com/thelovexnowheresf I'll let Gabe and Brett take the other questions while I go out for drinks before coming home to watch Sonic Youth's Coachella set online....
microclimatized for your protection (mbuff) Sat 28 Apr 07 22:34
Just catching up on the conversation, and I wanted to add my thanks for the show at the WELL party. You guys were great. I really heard traces of Bowie's in the first tune (Coming Down) and I'm just in love with that song right now. Finally got to give Oddessy a listen today and I need to own more. Great stuff. For anyone who missed them, these guys are a blast live. Oddessy is very san francisco-soundy, I think.. Gabe mentioning Airplane as an influence really resonates in what I hear. I love the lush melodic guitar work. Gabriel also has the best guitarist hair in rock (ok, not a serious musical/philosophical comment, but still!) And I'm now in serious envy of his first guitar. Was it one of the customs with the Modulus Graphite neck? Regardless, do you still play it? Finally, thanks for naming some of your favorite bands, guys. I've only recently found the Mountain Goats (who I love) and who've been around forever... I find it hard to find "new" music/genres to listen to that I like. I'm looking forward to checking some of those names out. And I look forward to the next show.
Adam Perry (adamice9) Sun 29 Apr 07 11:24
Thanks for all the kind words...and we definitely hope to see you at the next show, <mbuff>! Our next gig is actually in Oakland -- this Friday, May 4th at the Oakland Metro -- and then we play Mission Creek Music Festival in San Francisco on Saturday, May 12th. Still waiting for Gabe and Brett to answer the movie/opera questions...
Gabriel Leis (gummyazul) Sun 29 Apr 07 11:31
The guitar Weir gave me was not the Modulus neck kind, though many years later he had Modulus build me a bass guitar to my specifications. I never really became attached to it though (too modern sounding) and sold it to buy the G+L Telecaster that is my main instrument on stage now. The Alvarez is on loan to Brett, and he uses it for a lot of his songwriting, which is a great story for that guitar. It was once stolen, and through the most circuitous of routes, and serendipity of life, it actually came back to me about a year later. Crazy!! We are most certainly interested in the visual aspect to our music, and though not yet with video, we have a very realized aesthetic. My wife Summer is a print-maker and poster artist, and she has contributed her amazing art to our album covers, show posters, press materials and more. You can check out some of her stuff at www.maidenhand.com. Once again the Cornelius show last week at Bimbo's pretty much did me in. The best synchronized videos and original content I've ever seen at a rock show. It's tought to have goals so far out of reach, but now I want to be Cornelius and have a video show that good.
Adam Perry (adamice9) Sun 29 Apr 07 12:47
I want you to be Gabriel
Steve Silberman (digaman) Mon 30 Apr 07 15:56
Steve Silberman (digaman) Mon 30 Apr 07 15:57
Guys, what did I not ask that you wish I had?
tub of homogenous filth (tpy) Mon 30 Apr 07 16:20
also - what other bans give you the "i give up you're awesome" heeby jeebies besides cornelius?
microclimatized for your protection (mbuff) Mon 30 Apr 07 16:40
great guitar story. Thanks!
Adam Perry (adamice9) Mon 30 Apr 07 17:56
Watching Arcade Fire kinda does that for me. They do practically the same songs every night, but watching how enthusiastic, energized and free they all look together onstage getting those songs across with unbridled passion makes one feel unworthy, or like a girlfriend recently described Arcade Fire to me, "alone but loved." Their concerts make it seem like Arcade Fire is playing their final show ever and their lives depend on doing the best rock n' roll performance in the history of mankind. It's remarkable and humbling how they can keep up that intensity song after song, night after night. It's like they're at war and the armies of evil will conquer us all if Arcade Fire doesn't play a great show. The Clash definitely had that intensity when doing something like "Complete Control" or "Capital Radio," but I don't think they sustained it for entire sets like Arcade Fire is doing. They took a break with something relatively banal like "Jimmy Jazz" or "Train in Vain" while Arcade Fire's idea of cooling it down is something as deep and intense as "My Body is a Cage." So yeah, they give me the "I give up/you're awesome" feeling. ;-)
Steve Silberman (digaman) Tue 1 May 07 06:57
That's really a great description, Adam!
Gabriel Leis (gummyazul) Tue 1 May 07 10:00
I'd say in the past few years I've had that sort of live experience with Broken Social Scene, Bjork, Sigur Ros, Stereolab, Buffalo Daughter, Kraftwerk, and Arcade Fire. It'a always such an amazing feeling, and the awareness of being in a room filled with hundreds of people having the same experience is amazing as well. I'd like to take a moment to thank some folks here in the Well for their kind support and contributions to this conversation. Steve - thanks for keeping it going and alive. It's a new format for us (Brett and I) and we appreciate your patience and guidance, as well as your own thoughts and words that have made this worthwhile to us as guests as well as contributors. Scott - For awhile there it was just the 5 of us, and 3 of them I know really well. You were our outside perspective for and entire week. Thanks for keeping up, and keeping it going. Gail - great party, and thanks for inviting us along. Twas fun, twasn't it? Cythia - our Wellmaster. Thanks for making it happen in the world of ones and zeros. Everyone else who has taken the time to read our words and contribute their own thoughts and ideas. p.s. this is not a farewell, just wanted to get my thank you's out in the moment of feeling thankful.
Steve Silberman (digaman) Wed 2 May 07 07:25
Thank you, Gabriel, Adam, and Brett -- as well as Scott, Gail, and anyone else who joined us here. I really enjoyed the conversation, and loved the show. Catch you down the road, and best of luck to TLxN.
Cynthia Dyer-Bennet (cdb) Wed 2 May 07 11:00
Thanks for the thanks, and I offer my own right back at ya! It's been a hectic couple weeks for me and I'm sorry I haven't been able to contribute to the conversation here, which has covered a LOT of ground in 14 days. Though our virtual spotlight has turned to a new guest, you are all welcome to stick around and keep talking if you're able. This topic will remain open for further comments indefinitely. If you need to turn your attention elsewhere, then I wish you all the best with your music and your careers!
Gail Williams (gail) Wed 2 May 07 11:01
Excellent time, thanks! I hope you don't mind if I recommend you to people who produce festivals and the like?
virtual community or butter? (bumbaugh) Wed 2 May 07 11:18
Great to have y'all here for these two weeks. Thanks.
Adam Perry (adamice9) Fri 4 May 07 13:55
Just wanted to let yinz know that we're playing in Oakland tonight, the first of four upcoming East Bay gigs for The Love X Nowhere: tonight (friday, may 4th) at the Oakland Metro...a 4 band bill including The Love X Nowhere (TLXN), The Federalists, Mister Loveless and Catholic Comb. Fun starts at 9pm. more info at www.thelovexnowhere.com and www.oaklandmetro.org
tub of homogenous filth (tpy) Tue 8 May 07 11:20
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