The WELL: inkwell.vue.333: Paul Alexander, MACHIAVELLI'S SHADOW: The Rise and Fall of Karl Rove

#77: Mr. Death is coming after you, too (divinea) Fri 28 Nov 08 10:23

Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:23:00 PST

That may be the last possible well post, in the Ellsworth Kelley sense. Perfect. [Read entire topic]

#76: David Gans (tnf) Wed 26 Nov 08 10:13

Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:13:00 PST

Welcome to the WELL, Alex. Either you spelled "weltschmerz" wrong or you're making some sort of Fred Mertz pun with the name. [Read entire topic]

#75: Lisa Harris (lrph) Wed 26 Nov 08 06:19

Wed, 26 Nov 2008 06:19:00 PST

I think you hit the nail on the head, mark. [Read entire topic]

#74: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Tue 25 Nov 08 22:59

Tue, 25 Nov 2008 22:59:00 PST

Yeah, I still think Ollie North is a blowhard faux patriot asshole, and Poindexter is a lying slime, and Nixon is a crook -- a dead crook, but still. What's your point, or are you just the troll du jour? [Read entire topic]

#73: Percy (weltschmertz) Tue 25 Nov 08 18:30

Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:30:00 PST

Really? Does the Left still have a hard on for Poindexter and Ollie North? Or the Right for Carville? Not so much. Time gives perspective. Thirty years from now your grandkids will say to you; 'But what did Mr. Rove actually do?'. And you'll say; 'He helped the monster Bush win his first election and he revealed a brave CIA bureaucrat was, ummm, a CIA bureaucrat'. And your grandkids will say: 'Oh look, five o'clock. Well, we gotta go now to beat the traffic'. You'll cry out: 'No! Wait! Bush is the antichrist!' and then Nurse Ratchet will have to knock you out with 300 cc of duifluourescipam, and it will all seem about as important to you then as it does to most of us now. [Read entire topic]

#72: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Tue 25 Nov 08 14:10

Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:10:00 PST

I don't doubt that Rove will surface in some new context, but he'll still be reviled as a piece of shit. [Read entire topic]

#71: Percy (weltschmertz) Tue 25 Nov 08 13:56

Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:56:00 PST

How people overreact. Ten years ago, I remember the same kind of bile being poured on the head of James Carville who was to the Clintons what Rove is - or was - to the Bush administration. Then, Carville was a gigantic figure whose ominous malevolence tainted every aspect of the Clinton years or so said commetators on the right; today, he's just a screw-faced media pundit much in the same way that Rove will undoubtedly be in a few years time. [Read entire topic]

#70: John Payne (satyr) Fri 22 Aug 08 08:53

Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:53:00 PDT

He's about as subtle as a coyote, which is to say somewhat so, but not very. [Read entire topic]

#69: Tom Howard (tom) Thu 21 Aug 08 09:26

Thu, 21 Aug 2008 09:26:00 PDT

Paul, the book is really great -- and frightening. My earlier question that must've gotten overlooked is how exactly do you go on with seeing so closely these machinations (especially coming up on this election and Rove's control of the $250 million war chest? You and Seymour Hersh?

The truly most enlightening thing about your book is how many egregious mistakes and errors Rove has made in his career. His "evil" seems to be so much luck. [Read entire topic]

#68: My free and simple demeanor set everybody at ease. (pdl) Wed 20 Aug 08 14:55

Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:55:00 PDT

Paul--thanks for spending some time here discussing Machiavelli's Shadow! [Read entire topic]