Margaret Cunningham (mec) Sun 2 May 10 15:22
Hi, Emma. I grew up in Texas, so football is my native sport. I'm not exactly a sports fan now, but I've loved afternoons and evenings watching the A's play here in Oakland, the San Jose Giants in their hometown, and even the Stockton team (in their old field). The "hometown-ness" of minor league games appeals to me. Looking forward to reading your book, based on the wit you display here and in your blogs. (Plus I'm a friend and fan of your mom.) Keep that notebook high!
Emma Span (emmakspan) Mon 3 May 10 05:17
Thanks! I'm excited because tonight after work I'll get to my first live game of the season, at Yankee Stadium. (Assuming the rain stops). It's never quite the same on TV... I'll report back later!
Steve Bjerklie (stevebj) Mon 3 May 10 09:10
Emma, while you're packing up the peanuts and Cracker Jacks for tonight's game, I'll ask: what do you think are the reasons why football players are more hostile than the other kinds of athletes you encountered? Hockey is hardly a game for shrinking violets, yet its players were noticeably more friendly and accessible for you. Do you think it's the violence of football or that violent people seem to be attracted to such a violent game, or some other factor? You've seen these guys up close in a way none of the rest of us have, so I'm interested in your thoughts. Baseball, it has always seemed to me, is a game of grace punctuated with occasional moments of violence. Football is a game of violence occasionally punctuated by moments of grace.
Paula Span (pspan) Mon 3 May 10 09:26
Gail Williams (gail) Mon 3 May 10 09:57
Congrats on getting out to a Yankee's game, weather allowing ... can't wait to hear about that, too.
Steve Bjerklie (stevebj) Mon 3 May 10 11:44
Thank you, Paula.
that old cop cards and yarn thing (crow) Mon 3 May 10 14:06
Hi Emma, I can't wait to read your book. I became a fan in my 20s after watching games on TV and getting hooked, then I found out that my mom had been a fan for years. She went to Hollywood Stars (PCL) games before the Dodgers came to LA (she'd hoped the Giants would be the new team, she liked them better.) I met my spouse through baseball, and now most summers we go on a trip with his cousins to minor league baseball games in California. If you come to the Bay Area we'll take you to a San Jose Giants game, where they have great barbeque.
Amy Keyishian (superamyk) Mon 3 May 10 22:15
Ok, Emma, I'm halfway through the book and just had to re-live your painful end-of-job at the Village Voice. My heart goes out to you; I've had that conversation and it sucks. The book is so great! My first question is about being a sportswriter. Whenever my husband reads to me from a sports column, I marvel at how sportswriters are the only journalists who are still enthusiastic about their subject and who craft their prose like old-fashioned, hard-boiled gumshoes. Do you agree that sportswriters have their own style and ... milieu, I guess, and why do you think that is? Second, spring training: Do you think it would be as underwhelming for fans as it was for you as a journalist? I've been dreaming of going to Spring Training for years. Am I actually going to hate it? Third: Do you think there is a difference in how fans become fans? I like to draw the divide along gender lines, but <aud>'s fandom destroys that theory entirely. Still, my husband loves sports from the inside-out, captivated by minutiae, names and numbers and strategies and years, to the extent that he's like a walking encyclopedia. I love them from the outside-in: i love the Knicks because I was captivated by their mid-90s run, and learned then about the Bill Bradley Knicks; I love the Mets because of the 1986 series, and that was my jumping-off point to learn more about them... in other words, for me it's the story, for him it's the details. I was afraid if I didn't ask those all at once I'd forget, so I'm sorry to be overwhelming. I just couldn't trust myself to find the post-it with my notes on it over the next couple days.
(fom) Mon 3 May 10 23:20
I'm looking forward to reading the book too. I'm a Giants fan nowadays, but most of my life I was a diehard Yankee fan, though I'm usually reluctant to admit that. (It's safe here, right?)
Emma Span (emmakspan) Tue 4 May 10 03:16
Hey all, thanks, and it was a fun game last night - CC Sabathia is one of those pitchers who, even when he doesn't have his good stuff, can give you eight innings of 1-run ball... I got my first look at the ruins of the old Yankee Stadium, and it was a real punch to the gut. When I was at a game last August it was still standing; now it is just a pile of rubble with part of a wall sticking out of it. Ouch. To answer a few of these questions - Steve, I honestly don't know exactly why the football players I covered were generally the least friendly athletes I encountered; it's always dangerous to generalize. And in fact a few of the players were very friendly (kickers are always a safe bet for an interview). But I think it has to do with general football culture, which really values hostility and anger in a way that even hockey does not. But, again, that's just my speculation. Amy, thanks for reading! I agree that sportswriters generally stick to a certain hard-boiled style, but I'm not sure all of them really are that enthusiastic about their subject; after five or ten years on the job a lot of them are fairly jaded and disgruntled. I think some of them use that certain style almost as a crutch, filling in the blanks in the same story they've written a dozen times before. I think spring training would be *much* more fun as a fan! (Although those Florida towns are still kind of my idea of hell). Had I made that trip one March, especially with friends or family, I'm sure I would have enjoyed it. Finally, while (again) it's dangerous to generalize, I'm just like you in the way I initially became a fan - through the stories - while many of my male baseball fan friends were more focused on the stats and rules and details of the game. Although I came to appreciate all of that as well, and they are always up for a good baseball story, that first appeal was different. So I agree with you, although I don't know if that's anything innate or just the way society conditions us... and, of course, gender differences are a minefield; not everyone had that experience. (My female friend who played baseball as a kid, for example, approached the game much the same way as my stathead male friends).
Lisa Harris (lrph) Tue 4 May 10 06:52
Hi, Emma! I'm reading along here (although I must admit I'm not a huge baseball fan). I am Floridian, however, and next year feel free to contact me to direct you to interesting places and good restaurants in or near those boring spring training towns.
Steve Bjerklie (stevebj) Tue 4 May 10 07:10
Emma, one of the chapters I most enjoyed in your book was your analysis, often humorous, of why movies about baseball suck generally. I completely agree with the conclusion you made in that chapter, which I won't give away here for people who haven't yet read it. But since you're a lover as well as a scholar of both baseball and film, describe for us what the intersection of these two interests has meant to you.
Amy Keyishian (superamyk) Tue 4 May 10 16:09
oh i will have to get reading... I am going to be very upset if there is dissage of Field of Dreams. "It's not my fault you didn't play catch with your father!"
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that old cop cards and yarn thing (crow) Wed 5 May 10 13:01
There's a stereotype about "real" male sports fans being into statistics, and able to recite every player's batting averages, etc. But in all the years I've known sports fans, and I know some hard core ones, I've never known anybody who was like that. The closest to that is people who remember everybody who was on a roster for a particular year.
Gail (gail) Wed 5 May 10 13:17
I liked Bull Durham as a baseball movie, when I knew fairly little about baseball, and I still appreciate it. I think that is because there are not a lot of plot points about how games progress. It's more about people and about a whole season, so it doesn't have to rely on faking a game as the core of the story. Just one hunch. Curious about what movies you like.
Emma Span (emmakspan) Wed 5 May 10 19:00
Steve, it's funny, because while baseball and movies are two of my favorite things in the world, there just isn't a huge intersection there! Not a ton of baseball movies, and certainly not many good ones. But I had a ton of fun with that chapter - by far my favorite one in the book to write. It was a blast to combine two of my favorite subjects, and I felt more confident in my opinions and conclusions there then I did with a lot of the other material. Amy, I am lukewarm on "Field of Dreams" - a well-made movie but just not especially my cup of tea. "The Natural" is the one I can't stand! (Probably the most controversial thing I wrote in the whole book, but I stand by it).
Mark McDonough (mcdee) Wed 5 May 10 19:06
I recently read the original book - what a dark and odd tale.
Emma Span (emmakspan) Wed 5 May 10 19:07
Crow, I actually know quite a few fans like that - but that's probably because through blogging I've met so many sabermetricians, Baseball Prospectus writers, and real stat experts who make their living analyzing baseball numbers. But I agree that most civilians, male or female, probably aren't really that way. Still: I was talking with an older Sox fan at a reading a few weeks ago, and he wondered who the last pitcher to get 25 wins in the majors was. I had no idea, and looked it up on my PDA to answer him. The next night I mentioned this to a friend of mine and he said without even pausing for breath, "Bob Welch, Oakland As, 27 wins in 1990." Dead right. I know quite a few guys like that.
Emma Span (emmakspan) Wed 5 May 10 19:44
Mark - yes indeed. One of my many problems with "The Natural" is that I read the book first, and while I didn' like it all that much, it still made the movie's ending seem unbelievably cheap, cynical and phony. Ugh.
Mark McDonough (mcdee) Wed 5 May 10 19:49
Right, it was not a very enjoyable book - a rather strained mid-century attempt to create something that would be taken seriously. A weird mix of O. Henry, Steinbeck, and perhaps a bit of Raymond Chandler. But such as it was, it hung together.
Lena M. Diethelm (lendie) Wed 5 May 10 23:48
Have you seen the recent movie "Sugar" about a player from the Dominican Republic? How the players in the DR hope to make it to the US, get ahead, become famous, etc...
that old cop cards and yarn thing (crow) Thu 6 May 10 13:19
Yeah, one of our friends (who has had a sports show on a college radio station for 15 years) enjoys stats like that one you mention. But he is known for having a freakishly great memory. I mean, if he was at one of those Bob Welch games (he probably was), he'd go on to say "I remember that was when they had that weird hot dog with the baked beans that they only sold for part of the '89 season and I spilled it all over my pants."
that old cop cards and yarn thing (crow) Thu 6 May 10 13:22
oh yeah, the baseball movies I like best aren't about baseball but are related to it, like Fear Strikes Out or Experiment in Terror.
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