inkwell.vue.4 : Reva Basch, Goddess of Cyberspace
permalink #126 of 166: Reva Basch (reva) Sun 20 Dec 98 21:44
    
Depends on the kind of software you're looking for. For commercial, off-the-
shelf stuff, I usually just go to someplace like MicroWarehouse (guess the
URL; I think they might also be just warehouse.com). For share- and
freeware, there's shareware.com and download.com and tucows, among other
places. You can search by type of app, by product name if you know it, by
platform, or whatever.
  
inkwell.vue.4 : Reva Basch, Goddess of Cyberspace
permalink #127 of 166: Cynthia Heimel (plum) Sun 20 Dec 98 23:49
    

Okay, here's another question that may not be up your alley.  I'm sick of
wordprocessors with their merging and all their business weirdness.  I want
a nice wordprocessing program that does what I want.  Which is write books,
have footnotes, chapters, outlines...anyone?
  
inkwell.vue.4 : Reva Basch, Goddess of Cyberspace
permalink #128 of 166: Erik Van Thienen (levant) Mon 21 Dec 98 05:28
    

A DTP package, maybe? Framemaker, for example. Runs on a lot
of Unix terminals I have been working on.
  
inkwell.vue.4 : Reva Basch, Goddess of Cyberspace
permalink #129 of 166: Martin Kelly (riffraff) Mon 21 Dec 98 07:55
    

Many of the doc writers here use, and love, framemaker for the reasons you
mention <plum>, so I'll add my second-hand recommendation to <levant>'s.
  
inkwell.vue.4 : Reva Basch, Goddess of Cyberspace
permalink #130 of 166: Cynthia Heimel (plum) Mon 21 Dec 98 09:34
    

okay, since I know nothing of what you're talking about, like what DTP is, I
will now start doing research.  Thank you!
  
inkwell.vue.4 : Reva Basch, Goddess of Cyberspace
permalink #131 of 166: Martin Kelly (riffraff) Mon 21 Dec 98 11:40
    

Desktop Publishing. What your publishers do to your manuscripts to make them
into books.
  
inkwell.vue.4 : Reva Basch, Goddess of Cyberspace
permalink #132 of 166: Erik Van Thienen (levant) Mon 21 Dec 98 11:46
    

This will give people some weird ideas what DTP is ... :->
  
inkwell.vue.4 : Reva Basch, Goddess of Cyberspace
permalink #133 of 166: Martin Kelly (riffraff) Mon 21 Dec 98 11:53
    

Okay, so maybe I was condensing the description somewhat, but <plum>'s smart
enough to extrapolate.

Besides, I kind of like the idea of spreading confusion.
  
inkwell.vue.4 : Reva Basch, Goddess of Cyberspace
permalink #134 of 166: Cynthia Heimel (plum) Mon 21 Dec 98 12:07
    

No, I totally got it Mr. Raff.  I like this idea.  Then I can give my
publishers a *really* completed manuscript.
  
inkwell.vue.4 : Reva Basch, Goddess of Cyberspace
permalink #135 of 166: dragging in Hyperborea (dbdoty) Mon 21 Dec 98 21:42
    
Which will make them scream. The very last thing an art director at a
publishing house wants to receive is a manuscript that is full of fancy
formatting added by the author. Or one done in Framemaker if the publisher
uses Quark or PageMaker.

Framemaker is a great product for lots of purposes, but I think it is *way*
over the top for a ms of the kind of books <plum> writes.
  
inkwell.vue.4 : Reva Basch, Goddess of Cyberspace
permalink #136 of 166: Cynthia Heimel (plum) Tue 22 Dec 98 01:30
    

Yo!  I was kidding, Mr. Doty!

But really *all* word processors are over the top for what I want.  And I
don't know of a simple one that does the things I need.
  
inkwell.vue.4 : Reva Basch, Goddess of Cyberspace
permalink #137 of 166: Patrick Nielsen Hayden (pnh) Tue 22 Dec 98 04:33
    



Um, not to be a pain about it, but it isn't the "art director" who takes
charge of a manuscript -- whether hardcopy or electronic -- and sees to
getting it properly turned in to set type.

In fact, the art director has nothing to do with this process unless the
book is illustrated, and even then their interaction with the manuscript
itself is peripheral.
  
inkwell.vue.4 : Reva Basch, Goddess of Cyberspace
permalink #138 of 166: Erik Van Thienen (levant) Tue 22 Dec 98 05:54
    

<plum> , you can find simple wordprocessing modules in any of the
"Works" integrated packages : Claris, Lotus, Microsoft, ...
  
inkwell.vue.4 : Reva Basch, Goddess of Cyberspace
permalink #139 of 166: dragging in Hyperborea (dbdoty) Tue 22 Dec 98 07:02
    
The person who was responsible for formatting my three computer books was
styled "art director." Your Publisher May Vary.
  
inkwell.vue.4 : Reva Basch, Goddess of Cyberspace
permalink #140 of 166: Patrick Nielsen Hayden (pnh) Tue 22 Dec 98 08:48
    


Huh.  Okay, computer publishing, I guess I know nothing about that.

In trade publishing, the hands-on-the-text folks who deal with copyediting
and typesetting and text design are called "production editors" and "managing
editors."  Art directors handle the outsides of books and, sometimes, any
illustrations inside of them.

Apologies for an excessively categorical statement.
  
inkwell.vue.4 : Reva Basch, Goddess of Cyberspace
permalink #141 of 166: Cynthia Heimel (plum) Tue 22 Dec 98 09:47
    

levant:  see #136.
  
inkwell.vue.4 : Reva Basch, Goddess of Cyberspace
permalink #142 of 166: Lenny Bailes (jroe) Tue 22 Dec 98 14:04
    
On my computer books, the copyediting, text-editing and typesetting
people are also called "production editors."  The art director is
the one who obtains ridiculous-looking avant garde graphics for the
cover and chapter title pages that have to be trashed by an
author-production alliance.
  
inkwell.vue.4 : Reva Basch, Goddess of Cyberspace
permalink #143 of 166: Cynthia Heimel (plum) Tue 22 Dec 98 18:54
    

yep.
  
inkwell.vue.4 : Reva Basch, Goddess of Cyberspace
permalink #144 of 166: Angus MacDonald (angus) Mon 28 Dec 98 03:53
    
        If you think the word processor you use now is too full of weirdness,
then stay the hell away from FrameMaker. Seriously. If you're designing a
technical manual, page by page, numbered illustration by numbered illustration,
that's different, but if you're mainly, you know, typing, avoid it. Or any other
product with "Maker" in the name. 
  
inkwell.vue.4 : Reva Basch, Goddess of Cyberspace
permalink #145 of 166: Erik Van Thienen (levant) Mon 28 Dec 98 06:48
    

True. I spent two weeks just to unlearn everything I knew about
wordprocessing, just to understand how Framemaker worked. And
learning new applications is part of my job ...
  
inkwell.vue.4 : Reva Basch, Goddess of Cyberspace
permalink #146 of 166: Cynthia Heimel (plum) Mon 28 Dec 98 11:47
    

Oh, geez.  I'll just stick with good ole wordperfect.  Bugginess and all.
  
inkwell.vue.4 : Reva Basch, Goddess of Cyberspace
permalink #147 of 166: this bag is not a toy (vard) Tue 5 Jan 99 23:36
    

There's always BBEdit. It doesn't suck.
  
inkwell.vue.4 : Reva Basch, Goddess of Cyberspace
permalink #148 of 166: Cynthia Heimel (plum) Wed 6 Jan 99 08:55
    

tell more vardley.
  
inkwell.vue.4 : Reva Basch, Goddess of Cyberspace
permalink #149 of 166: I Like Eggs (jeffk) Wed 6 Jan 99 09:27
    
I was wearing my 'BBEdit: It Doesn't Suck' shirt the other day...
  
inkwell.vue.4 : Reva Basch, Goddess of Cyberspace
permalink #150 of 166: this bag is not a toy (vard) Sat 9 Jan 99 23:14
    

BBEdit is a text editor. Plain text. It has some nice features that make 
it pretty easy to strip weird formatting out of other pieces of text so 
you can work with them (I use it for copying info from websites and 
pasting it into email or Well posts). It is easy to use and I like it. I 
don't have the very newest version so I don't know every feature it now 
has, but I like it a lot.
  

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