Reva Basch (reva) Sun 20 Dec 98 21:44
Depends on the kind of software you're looking for. For commercial, off-the- shelf stuff, I usually just go to someplace like MicroWarehouse (guess the URL; I think they might also be just warehouse.com). For share- and freeware, there's shareware.com and download.com and tucows, among other places. You can search by type of app, by product name if you know it, by platform, or whatever.
Cynthia Heimel (plum) Sun 20 Dec 98 23:49
Okay, here's another question that may not be up your alley. I'm sick of wordprocessors with their merging and all their business weirdness. I want a nice wordprocessing program that does what I want. Which is write books, have footnotes, chapters, outlines...anyone?
Erik Van Thienen (levant) Mon 21 Dec 98 05:28
A DTP package, maybe? Framemaker, for example. Runs on a lot of Unix terminals I have been working on.
Martin Kelly (riffraff) Mon 21 Dec 98 07:55
Many of the doc writers here use, and love, framemaker for the reasons you mention <plum>, so I'll add my second-hand recommendation to <levant>'s.
Cynthia Heimel (plum) Mon 21 Dec 98 09:34
okay, since I know nothing of what you're talking about, like what DTP is, I will now start doing research. Thank you!
Martin Kelly (riffraff) Mon 21 Dec 98 11:40
Desktop Publishing. What your publishers do to your manuscripts to make them into books.
Erik Van Thienen (levant) Mon 21 Dec 98 11:46
This will give people some weird ideas what DTP is ... :->
Martin Kelly (riffraff) Mon 21 Dec 98 11:53
Okay, so maybe I was condensing the description somewhat, but <plum>'s smart enough to extrapolate. Besides, I kind of like the idea of spreading confusion.
Cynthia Heimel (plum) Mon 21 Dec 98 12:07
No, I totally got it Mr. Raff. I like this idea. Then I can give my publishers a *really* completed manuscript.
dragging in Hyperborea (dbdoty) Mon 21 Dec 98 21:42
Which will make them scream. The very last thing an art director at a publishing house wants to receive is a manuscript that is full of fancy formatting added by the author. Or one done in Framemaker if the publisher uses Quark or PageMaker. Framemaker is a great product for lots of purposes, but I think it is *way* over the top for a ms of the kind of books <plum> writes.
Cynthia Heimel (plum) Tue 22 Dec 98 01:30
Yo! I was kidding, Mr. Doty! But really *all* word processors are over the top for what I want. And I don't know of a simple one that does the things I need.
Patrick Nielsen Hayden (pnh) Tue 22 Dec 98 04:33
Um, not to be a pain about it, but it isn't the "art director" who takes charge of a manuscript -- whether hardcopy or electronic -- and sees to getting it properly turned in to set type. In fact, the art director has nothing to do with this process unless the book is illustrated, and even then their interaction with the manuscript itself is peripheral.
Erik Van Thienen (levant) Tue 22 Dec 98 05:54
<plum> , you can find simple wordprocessing modules in any of the "Works" integrated packages : Claris, Lotus, Microsoft, ...
dragging in Hyperborea (dbdoty) Tue 22 Dec 98 07:02
The person who was responsible for formatting my three computer books was styled "art director." Your Publisher May Vary.
Patrick Nielsen Hayden (pnh) Tue 22 Dec 98 08:48
Huh. Okay, computer publishing, I guess I know nothing about that. In trade publishing, the hands-on-the-text folks who deal with copyediting and typesetting and text design are called "production editors" and "managing editors." Art directors handle the outsides of books and, sometimes, any illustrations inside of them. Apologies for an excessively categorical statement.
Cynthia Heimel (plum) Tue 22 Dec 98 09:47
levant: see #136.
Lenny Bailes (jroe) Tue 22 Dec 98 14:04
On my computer books, the copyediting, text-editing and typesetting people are also called "production editors." The art director is the one who obtains ridiculous-looking avant garde graphics for the cover and chapter title pages that have to be trashed by an author-production alliance.
Cynthia Heimel (plum) Tue 22 Dec 98 18:54
Angus MacDonald (angus) Mon 28 Dec 98 03:53
If you think the word processor you use now is too full of weirdness, then stay the hell away from FrameMaker. Seriously. If you're designing a technical manual, page by page, numbered illustration by numbered illustration, that's different, but if you're mainly, you know, typing, avoid it. Or any other product with "Maker" in the name.
Erik Van Thienen (levant) Mon 28 Dec 98 06:48
True. I spent two weeks just to unlearn everything I knew about wordprocessing, just to understand how Framemaker worked. And learning new applications is part of my job ...
Cynthia Heimel (plum) Mon 28 Dec 98 11:47
Oh, geez. I'll just stick with good ole wordperfect. Bugginess and all.
this bag is not a toy (vard) Tue 5 Jan 99 23:36
There's always BBEdit. It doesn't suck.
Cynthia Heimel (plum) Wed 6 Jan 99 08:55
tell more vardley.
I Like Eggs (jeffk) Wed 6 Jan 99 09:27
I was wearing my 'BBEdit: It Doesn't Suck' shirt the other day...
this bag is not a toy (vard) Sat 9 Jan 99 23:14
BBEdit is a text editor. Plain text. It has some nice features that make it pretty easy to strip weird formatting out of other pieces of text so you can work with them (I use it for copying info from websites and pasting it into email or Well posts). It is easy to use and I like it. I don't have the very newest version so I don't know every feature it now has, but I like it a lot.
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