Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Tue 18 Oct 11 16:19
Across the globe people are coming together to "occupy" spaces, creating ongoing General Assemblies, which are headless meetings, attempts to practice the difficult collaborative art of direct democracy and address issues of economics and political organization that, many would say, have brought all the people of the world to the brink of disaster - while a very few have accumulated piles of money and created safe havens. What began as an effort to Occupy Wall Street and challenge the assumptions of big finance has become a large and growing global network of dissent. The purpose of this forum is to have our own public General Assembly on the WELL.
Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Tue 18 Oct 11 16:20
Here's the manifesto created by the People's Assembly of New York for Occupy Wall Street, presented as a stimulus for discussion here. A MESSAGE TO AMERICA FROM THE PEOPLES ASSEMBLY IN ZUCOTTI PARK Dear fellow Americans, We are assembled in Zucotti Park which weve renamed Liberty Plaza in the financial district of New York, because we believe that the American economy is heading in the wrong direction and we have a few ideas for what to do about it. There is a feeling shared by a growing number of people on the streets of the world that the global economy has become a kind of Ponzi scheme, a global casino, run by and for the benefit of the 1 percent. We believe that it is possible to inject justice into the global economy. We have come up with the following list of things that can be done right now to rejuvenate democracy and economic justice in our country: - Halt foreclosures for the unemployed, sick and elderly - Increase funding to public services by taxing the richest 1 percent - Forgive all student loan debt - Reinstate the Glass-Steagall Act in order to control speculation - Work with the other G20 nations to implement a 1% Robin Hood tax on all financial transactions and currency trades - Ban high-frequency flash trading and bring sanity to the markets - Break up the too big to fail banks that threaten our future - Arrest the financial fraudsters responsible for the 2008 meltdown and bring them to justice - Ordain a Presidential Commission tasked with ending the influence corporate money has on our elected representatives in Washington If you agree with any of these demands, then join us! We will stay here in our encampment in Liberty Plaza until President Obama responds to each of these demands. This is just the beginning, there is more to come as we work together to reshape America. The Peoples Assembly of New York City
brighter clouds ahead (noebie) Tue 18 Oct 11 16:37
i was promised hummus :)
brighter clouds ahead (noebie) Tue 18 Oct 11 16:41
seriously, i'll jump in with a recurring pet peeve: media (and others) calling for occupy wall street to get to the point, and state clearly defined goals two things about this: 1) the message and goals could scarcely be more clear 2) this is a prophetic movement - they're holding up a mirror, plain and simple if people can't hear the message, they aren't listening (imho) - and if they don't like what they see, it's not the fault of the mirror
brighter clouds ahead (noebie) Tue 18 Oct 11 16:42
and i pass the human mike to more articulate and less hummus deprived wellperns...
Peter Meuleners (pjm) Tue 18 Oct 11 16:48
Thank you for starting this.
brighter clouds ahead (noebie) Tue 18 Oct 11 17:12
from the guardian: "Protesters to decide on whether Occupy Wall Street should officially call for US to adopt massive public works programme" http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/19/occupy-wall-street-protesters-divi ded
David Gans (tnf) Tue 18 Oct 11 17:40
I think it would help to have some bullet points, if not a "list of demands." <jef> has a five-item list that works pretty well. I think it's great that they are running this thing without high-profile leaders.
firstname.lastname@example.org (billcostley) Tue 18 Oct 11 19:06
Our profiles are only visible to each other. This isn't the outside world (yet.) We tend to lose sight of the fact that this is a club, not a gang.
Jennifer Simon (fingers) Tue 18 Oct 11 19:07
Every movement needs music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfoqzLdvopk
brighter clouds ahead (noebie) Tue 18 Oct 11 19:12
i hope jef will post his list here
Brian Noe (noebie) Tue 18 Oct 11 19:12
<scribbled by noebie Tue 18 Oct 11 20:02>
Jennifer Simon (fingers) Tue 18 Oct 11 20:00
So simple a child could understand it: <http://files.neilgaiman.com/mirror/111017162300/occupywriters.com/by-lemony-sn icket.html>
Earl Crabb (esoft) Tue 18 Oct 11 20:22
here's an outfit that is writing music, and sang for Obama at a dinner in San Francisco: <http://www.freshjuiceparty.org> the organization is sort of an answer to the teaparty
Jennifer Simon (fingers) Tue 18 Oct 11 23:17
Cool! For those who just want the cold, hard facts: <http://www.businessinsider.com/what-wall-street-protesters-are-so-angry-about- 2011-10?op=1>
Ted Newcomb (tcn) Wed 19 Oct 11 04:52
And it just gets worse...from the World Future Society's 25 Year Forecast, #11 (http://www.wfs.org/forecasts/index.html) The U.S. richpoor gap is another disaster waiting to happen probably around 2020. If the economic situation looks bad now, just wait until the end of the decade, warns former U.S. Labor Secretary Robert B. Reich in his book Aftershock. Present-day concentration of wealth in the hands of too few Americans, and the related problem of out-of-control consumer debt, will lead to economic stagnation and political upheaval with impacts felt across the world. Implications: Individuals can take control of their own consumer debt, as well as prepare themselves for uncertain futures by investing in training for new careers, for example. They can also lobby their representatives to enact policies that promote their interests, but as Reich points out, the complexity of these issues may lead many uninformed voters to vote against their own interests.
brighter clouds ahead (noebie) Wed 19 Oct 11 06:20
this is another example of what all the fuss is about derivatives got your rating down? why not move them to a unit that's fdic insured? http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-18/bofa-said-to-split-regulators-over-mo ving-merrill-derivatives-to-bank-unit.html many in the occupy movement have called for the full reinstatement of the glass-steagall act, which was repealed in 1999 - it would have prohibited the sort of merger that set up this "opportunity" at b of a
Gail Williams (gail) Wed 19 Oct 11 08:28
That's decidedly creepy.
Jennifer Powell (jnfr) Wed 19 Oct 11 10:31
Gail Williams (gail) Wed 19 Oct 11 10:55
I've been working with the comments moderation tools for Salon story comments, and so I just un-marked some comments with links the system thought were spam. I noticed this cool page: http://www.occupytheboardroom.org/
brighter clouds ahead (noebie) Wed 19 Oct 11 11:00
love that! also, for anybody who missed it, there is an ows working group organizing a non-partisan national assembly to be held in philadelphia next july https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/ the draft petition of grievance issues are worth a read for anybody who wants to better understand the goals of the movement
Chris (cooljazz) Wed 19 Oct 11 13:10
Great pictures of "Occupy" around the world http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011/10/occupy-wall-street-spreads-worldwid e/100171/ http://tinyurl.com/3tfjkur
just a ragged clown behind (gobeyond) Wed 19 Oct 11 19:22
The people who dreamed up OWS and had the guts to make it happen are my heroes and heroines. Those photos of everybody everywhere bring tears to my eyes. Thank you, thank you, sign-makers and marchers and shouters and campers. Bless you, walkers and sitters and leaders and followers.
Jane Hirshfield (jh) Thu 20 Oct 11 05:51
I just posted this in News, reposting here: Last night, after my event at Poets House in Battery Park City in NY, there was a reception, then a dinner--we didn't get done till almost midnight. But a sweet board member emerita and her forbearing husband walked me in ig big gust winds (umbrella turn inside out winds) and rain over to the Occupy park. Very few people were still awake. You couldn't tell one round lump of tarp from another--the entire central area was a jumble of plastic, plastic, plastic. Some must have had trash in them, some must have had supplies, and many must have had people. Here and there, a little group of three or five still up and standing and talking. We'd wander over, I'd say thank you. They'd say, "sure." It felt utterly hypocritical of me to say anything more--"I support you"? when they are out in the rain and the cold, with, as one man told me the polic pepper spraying them when they march anywhere. Big towering police camera focussing down on them all from the side. Many polic e vehicles lined up along the edge of the park. I felt so badly I'd come empty=handed, too. It was small, and a huge mess, as epicenters I suppose generally are. I am grateful I've seen it under the harder, uncharismatic conditions. I wish it had felt a better time to talk to any of them, but it felt like going into someone's living room uninvited, at that hour, in that weather. (sorry about the typos, sticky computer keys... I took a few photos, will see if I can somehow make viewable--but they don't begin to show the feel of this encampment, the sweep of it in the dark and the rain and discomfort)
Jane Hirshfield (jh) Thu 20 Oct 11 06:39
link to some photos: <https://picasaweb.google.com/janehirshfield/OccupyPhotosRainyNightOct1902?auth key=Gv1sRgCP61hP2L- v7A4AE>
brighter clouds ahead (noebie) Thu 20 Oct 11 07:51
thanks for sharing those, and the report seeing the "comfort station" sign, i could only think "uncomfortable" god bless the folks roughing it out in liberty plaza
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