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The purpose of this document is to entertain the reader
with an ongoing account of a newly converted enthusiast's
plunge into quantum mechanics and quantum computing.
Days
I'm going to put this page up here and keep it up until I feel
foolish enough about what I have written to take it down.
I have recently come to an intuitive grasp of quantum
mechanics. It seems to me to have a few rules I haven't seen
stated anywhere as general propositions, so let me state them
here.
- The universe is infinite in all directions in all
dimensions as far as we can understand infinity.
- That which is called "classical physics" should be termed
local physics, physics between objects on approximately the
same scale.
- Quantum mechanics deals with phenomena individually
governed by local physics when viewed as quanta from another
scale.
- Thus, whatever are the essential priniciples of quantum
mechanics, they must apply to the macroverse equally as to
the microverse.
- Incidentally, the set of correlations of local physical
laws or conditions which are internally consistent
correlations is a set of membership > 1.
A galaxy looks very much like an atom. The dark center is
reminiscent of the atomic nucleus; the opening and closing arms
of a spiral galaxy look like the probabilistically governed
quanta called electrons. A quasar is reminiscent of a quantum
dot, squeezing off immense (from our scale) macroversal
"photons" in discreet quanta.
All phenomena interact on a quantum scale, even
sociologically. The year 2000 American election was a quantum
sum which represented "None of the Above" in the mathematical
semantics of the American electoral system, and this because,
like subatomic quanta, human political postures are entagled
with all postures with which they are in direct contact, e.g.,
"You votin' for Nader? Then I'll vote for Gore 'cause I don't
want Bush." A cyclone is a quantum interaction. A traffic jam
is also.
As a computer programmer and theorist, this view is pleasing
to me, because it finally makes me comfortable with electrical
theory, with which I have more familiarity than with nuclear
physics. Previously, belief in their operation required
something like an act of faith. Now I have made my peace with
semiconductance.
I hope to write more as I study the math specific to quantum
mechanics and quantum computing at greater depth. I'm plowing
through that now.
Helpful have been the following:
A thought later that day
The most general principles of the interaction of quanta
composed of innumerable immeasurable discreet phenomena should
be applicable equally to the macroverse as to the microverse.
Still later that day
Think about cars entering a toll plaza, then remerging, as on
the Oakland side of the Oakland-San Francisco Bay Bridge. You
can see an interference pattern as they remerge. QM is about an
empirically observed aspect of the universe, to wit, that "if
you have enough li'l stuff viewed from a sufficiently detached
perspective, stuff looks like quanta." This includes ants in an
anthill, consumers buying deodorant, the spiral arms of
galaxies, and emissions from pulars/quasars.
Benoit Mandelbrot said he was talking not about abstract
math, but about the "fractal geometry of nature". Similarly,
there's a quantum mechanical nature to all systems which are
sufficiently complex so as to render analysis of their
constituent phenomena impossible except in statistical
fashion.
Let's return to the example of automobile traffic flow. The
observer is a county road inspector. He's not a traffic cop,
he's studying usage patterns. He doesn't care if he sees an
individual car weaving, that's the problem of the highway
patrol. However, he might care if he saw many drivers going
over the white line on the shoulder to pass cars on the right.
Likewise, our observations of subatomic phenomena and
astronomical phenomena are focussed on certain kinds of
measurements to the exclusions of others of less interest, or
which are more difficult to make or which might not have
occurred to us.
The planet Earth is a wave, if measured once a millenium by
a single measurement which might find the Earth itself, or
merely one position in the wave form of Earth's orbit where
there is high probability the Earth might be encountered. Of
course, if you are on humanity's scale relative to the scale of
the Earth, the Earth is undoubtedly a particle. Still,
phenomena such as the precession of the equinox nag at the
collective mind of mankind to remind us of the wave nature of
the celestial role known as "planet".
I don't mean to suggest an onionskin theory of the universe.
Astronomical phenomena are easy to differentiate from subatomic
phenomena. However, quantum analysis of either end of our
perceptual scale is remarkably similar to quantum analysis at
the opposite end of the scale. Among those worthy of
examination in this regard are quantum phenomena such as
hurricanes, tidal waves and freeway traffic congestion, all
residing close enough to our human scale that we may examine
them both from a quantum perspective and as composites of
perceptible and measurable discreet phenomena.
Early A.M. musings.
It is interesting to read the lives of the quantum theorists.
They were generally a pretty odd bunch.
...
I think we already see something very like quantum coherence on
the mundane scale when we observe traffic flow on a limited
access highway such as a freeway. Consider all on-ramps and all
off-ramps. At a given instant, from the point of view of the
observer at rush hour, there's some kind of balance between
flow onto the freeway here and flow off of the freeway
there, whichever exits "here" and "there" might be. The
balance is measurable statistically. Faster-than-light
coherence exists between the quanta of cars exiting and
entering because of reasons outside the scope of the
measurment, i.e., that a certain flow is established during
rush hour based on the statisical of distribution of commuters
going to any given destination from any given origin.
Late evening
An article in New Scientist entitled "
Prime Time " makes some points seemingly related to my
intuition of the general applicability of the principles of
quantum measurement:
If ... physicists prove the Riemann hypothesis using a
quantum system, the link will be firmly established. Then ...
the field will blossom. Using the mathematics of the zeta
function, scientists will be able to predict the scattering
of very high energy levels in atoms, molecules and nuclei,
and the fluctuations in the resistance of quantum dots in a
magnetic field.
And it turns out that the same mathematics applies to any
situation where waves bounce around chaotically, including
light waves and sound. So the performance of microwave
cavities and fibre optics could be improved, and the
acoustics of real concert halls might profit from the music
of the primes.
Thanks go to Dennis
Wilson for pointing out this article to me on the Well .
Mitsu Asks Why
Also on the Well, Mitsuhara Hadeishi made the
following interesting comment:
[T]he mystery of quantum mechanics is of a very different
kind from the mystery of, say, why the fine structure
constant is 1/137. The QM mystery is not just "why are the
equations that way and not some other way" --- but rather ---
what do the equations mean? What is a measurement? What does
consciousness have to do with measurement? Why do we measure
anything at all?
There is a big fuzzy hole at the center of QM, and the
fundamental question of why we observe collapse to the
particular set of observables we observe (and not, for
example, a set of superpositions of those observables) ---
that's a really big question. NOTHING in the mathematics
makes this clear whatsoever.
Presumably, quantum mechanics is describing physical
systems, and presumably we, the physicists, are also physical
systems. So what is the relationship between us and these
systems that we observe? What is so special about an
"observer" that they have the power to "observe" and thereby
force a "collapse" of a quantum system?
Or, to put it another way, how is it that we can make the
observations necessary to even determine the fine structure
constant is 1/137?
I replied that epistemology suggests that the "collapse" in
measurement is a measurement of the measurement as much as of
the measured quantum.
Bedtime reading
People sometimes used to believe that computer programmers are
mathematicians gone to seed. Some years ago I purchased two
books at a public library used book sale which I somehow felt
that I must have and someday read. I have poked around at them
over the years but never completed either. Now I find myself
opening them by my bedside to refresh my mathematical grasp so
as to deal with relativity and quantum physics. These two books
are:
- Vectors by E. H. Leaton, John Wiley & Sons,
New York, 1968, Lib. of Cong. 67-30966
- Tensor Calculus and Relativity by Derek F. Lawden,
Chapman and Hall, London, 1975, ISBN 0-412-20370-7
Vectors is very readable and helpful in a way that gives
the reader a sense that the author liked students. Tensor
Calculus and Relativity seems a little less friendly to the
student, but it is still very pithy and useful. I conclude I
was very fortunate in these inexpensive chance purchases.
More thoughts on the architects and architecture of quantum
theory
I continue reading with interest biographies of the quantum
pioneers of physics and mathematics presented by Univ.
of St. Andrews Scotland MacTutor History of Mathematics .
It stands out that these individuals were all part of what
we might today call a "network" at the highest circles of
European academia. While most of the practical applications of
particle physics took place in America immediately before,
during and after World War II, due to America's vast resources,
her industrial ingenuity, and the haven she provided to members
of the European intellegentsia fleeing the Nazis, the
theoretical framework was erected by a rather small group of
pioneers, many of whom were lauded prodigies, many of whom had
studied with the same professors, and who were continually
engaged ("entangled"?) with one another in intellectual
discourse and sometimes combat.
I have read that Newton and and Leibniz independently
arrived at the calculus, but that Leibniz's notation was
superior to Newton's and was therefore universally adopted over
the following decades. I mention this because, although adept
at computer programming, I have always had a bit of trouble
with classical math. Although fluent in several foreign
languages, including those with non-latin and even
non-phoenician alphabets, some of the approaches and notations
of classical math are, for some psychological reason,
off-putting to me. I pondered this same point many years ago
when I found the Forth programming language, which is syntactic
rather than notational, much easier at first to assimilate than
the highly notational C language. I strongly suspect that this
is the result of an intellectual-cum-cultural bias on my
part. I am partly of Jewish extraction, and find the Forth
programming language subtly reminiscent of Hebrew, compared to
the C language which evokes for me the flavor of Latin or
Greek. Or perhaps it is just the savage American in me
rejecting the mincing and the flourishes of European
thought.
Now in middle age and revisiting the maths which I treated
casually decades ago, I find the task a bit easier, but am
still uneasily conscious of the overbearingly European flavor
of the theoretical framework. This leads one to suspect that
some of the difficulties of quantum theory lie in the memetic
framework of the observer. This intuition is bolstered by a
year's experience teaching high school math in the Hawai`ian
Islands, where Euclidean geometry left the students gaping and
slack-jawed, but casual discussions of relativity found a much
more receptive hearing, the furniture of relativity, such as
the variance of time depending on the observer and the inherent
curvature of space-time, according more closely with island and
ocean life than does the blander Euclidean architecture founded
on measurements made in the flat floodplain of the Nile.
More helpful links
- Open Qubit
- An open source project for those interested in quantum
computing and experimental emulation of same.
- Papers online.
- Some downloadable source code illustrating Shor's
Algorithm.
- D-Wave Systems is
a commercial enterprise actually trying to construct quantum
computing devices based on magnetic resonance.
- The D-Wave Systems site is rather interesting, they've
already got their sleeves rolled up and are playing with some
neat hardware.
- Claude
Crépeau
- Claude maintains a nice bibliography of quantum computing
papers.
Bright Gaps and Traffic Jams
In discussing today my quantum mechanical intuitions, I
summarized for my interlocutor as follows:
I suppose that what I am saying is primarily epistemological,
but the point is that if you factor electron volts and spin
numbers from quantum physics, there still remains a kernel of
truth about quantum measurement itself that is applicable to
all scales.
My interlocutor asked if there were practical implications for
subatomic physics to be derived from this perception. I replied
with another traffic jam analogy.
In measuring a freeway stop-and-go jam, what are you
measuring? Really, you are measuring the frequency of
openings between the cars. The individual cars, green or
blue, long or short, are irrelevant to your concern, which is
focussed on wave intervals of the absence of cars, because
this lessened density of cars recurring periodically denotes
flow of traffic, which is your interest. This is not the
perception of the drivers of the cars to whom their
individual car and its precise location at any instant is of
supreme interest.
In fact, for the traffic observer stationed above the
freeway on a footbridge, it would be helpful and intutive for
the pavement upon which the cars roll to be back-lit in some
fashion so that free-flowing traffic showed as a wave motion
of light which possessed broader and broader darkened bands
as traffic became more congested.
It seems thus a physical science corollary implicit in my
epistemological observations that, in measurements at the
subatomic level, some of the things which subjectively seem
to us "bright" and "positive" and connote to our gut-level
human view of the world a sense of presence may equally turn
out denote absence, as in the backlit pavement showing
through the absence of cars in the traffic flow.
I suspect that a likely candidate for exploration in this
regard is electromagnetic radiation. This seems to be a
partial reply to Mitsuharu
Hadeishi's rhetorical questions above about what we
measure and why we measure.
One More Traffic Jam!
Thinking in the wee hours about quantum measurement again since
I got stuck in a reduced traffic flow situation on I-70 between
Denver and Denver International Airport earlier in the evening!
The essence of driving in stop-and-go traffic is, as every
good driver knows, not being one of the stop-and-go'ers.
Instead, you let space open up between you and the driver ahead
so you may have to relent and slow down but you never have to
hit your brakes. Actually, what you are doing is driving the
average speed of the traffic.
The jam was cause by heavy right-to-left merging from
on-ramps. As drivers in the second and third lanes to the left
relented, cars periodically moved over leftwards from the first
and second lanes in the open spaces. It's like watching gas
molecules in a envelope under constant deformation.
Workin' Class Blues
As naive as it may sound, I tried applying for a job in quantum
computing with one of the firms trying to build an actual
quantum computer. My programming skills are excellent and
mature, but of course, what is really wanted in these jobs at
this point is a PhD in an applicable field, whereas I am an
autodidact who only got his high school diploma by luck.
The PhD who answered my email was very gracious. I'm going
to keep trying applications because that is how, a couple of
decades ago, I got started in programming after spending the
'70's in mystico-philosophical bemusement so characteristic of
those times, with an income provided by farm and industrial
work. So maybe in middle age (I just became a grandfather) I
can slide over into quantum computing.
How to hop over decades of sort of thumbing my nose at the
hard math of quantum physics and learn something practical is
the challenge! Maybe my exploration will merely remain an
epistemological exercise without ever leading to work in
developing quantum computers.
So I have changed the title of this page from "A Quantum
Mechanics Daybook" to "A Quantum Epistemology Daybook".
Shall we proceed?
Quanta, Quanta Everywhere ... The Simple Syllogism of
Quantum Epistemology
Quantum epistemology we are defining as an audit of the
rational basis of observation and measurement of quanta.
- A quantum is an aggregate of local phenomena observed
with detachment.
- Observing a quantum renders it a local phenonemon.
- Ergo, any aggregate of quanta observed with detachment is
another quantum.
By "observed with detachment", I mean that the observation is
focussed on the aggregate, not on the local phenomena of which
the quantum is composed.
Quanta exist and are perceived in daily living. Even the
human body itself is measured in quanta: we call some of these
quanta "organs", for instance. At every level we are only
perceiving quanta. Each of those quanta is an aggregate of
local phenomena. Each of these quanta is to us a local
phenomenon, a "dog", a "rock", a "jelly donut", but of course,
it's an immesurably complex entity composed of quanta. In the
aggregate, these local phenomenon on some scale are constitute
a quantum on some other scale of measurement, ad infinitum.
If this is true, then the notion that subatomic phenomena
behave paradoxically in relation to our mundane frame of
reference simply because they are quantum phenomena must be
incorrect. It is obvious that we interact in an intuitive
fashion with an infinity of quantum phenomena in every moment
of our existence, because everything we see is an aggregate of
complexity beyond our ability to fathom except in quantum
fashion.
The ballot count in Florida in the year 2000 United States
presidential election proves that the principles of the
measurement of quanta whose constituent phenoma are inscrutable
apply to our daily lives. All our observations and measurments
in daily life confront precisely that difficulty of quantum
measurement. There is no stable, provable frame of reference
for making the assumptions which we are compelled to make in
our daily struggle for existence outside of highly statistical
quantum theories such as religion, ethics, and folk wisdom.
Observeration commits the observer with
respect to subsequent observation.
The paradoxes of particle physics are local phenomena in our
frame of reference, an inability to see, a desire to see what
we infer must exist. These paradoxes are not specifically
intrinsic to the subatomic frame of reference, unless Seussian
Whos exist at the subatomic level in a state of perplexity
comparable to our own.
"Expect a Surprise"
The principal attraction of an epistemological approach to
quantum measurement is that one can benefit from both the
wisdom and the folly of mankind throughout history. For
instance, as scientific eras change, the previous era's
accomplishments tend to be obscured by disdain. The ancient
concept of matter consisting of earth, air, fire and water, is
skewed from our present point of view by the use of the term
"elements". We still claim four states of matter, solid
(earth), liquid (water), air (gas) and fire (plasma).
Ergo, if one pays close, or even perverse attention to the
hubris and blind spots of the modern scientific viewpoint, one
can choose from a wide assortment of phenomena currently viewed
as implausible which are likely candidates for discovery. The
most striking epistemological feature of the practice of
quantum physical research is the narrowness of focus. Not much
focus has been placed upon quantum measurement of the behavior
of subatomic particles in situ in large composites from
homely everyday life.
Therefore, there could exist in the common scientific
viewpoint a tacit assumption loosely based on Occam's Razor
that subatomic quanta in the fine should behave as subatomic
quanta in the rough, within a certain similarity of scale as
regards molecular ordering and density. Yet the case can be
made on epistemological grounds that carbon atoms found in a
large, handworked block of finely polished mahogany should
exhibit perceptibly different quantum taxonomy than those of a
crude, unworked block of inferior wood. The case is made,
briefly, something like this:
- In shamanic societies, to the extent that their
practitioners could be made to understand quantum physics,
those practitioners would assume the constituents of a finely
polished block of good wood to be of a nature somewhat
different than those of a crude, unworked block of bad
wood.
- In the conflict between Lamarckian evolution and
Darwinian evolution, Darwin won a complete victory in Western
thought which endured for over a century before it was
entirely clear that neither Darwinian nor Larmackian
evolution was entirely satisfactory, and that elements
rejected out of hand from the Lamarckian school of thought
were attempts to deal with empirical phenomena explained away
too hastily by the Darwinian argument.
While a better and more finely reasoned case may be made in
this particular matter, the above should be a sufficent toy
example to prove that quantum epistemology is capable of
predictive reasoning.
Beam me up, Charm!
Quantum teleportation is similarly an artifact of observation.
Heisenberg understated the case:
The approach of the observer interacts
with the observed.
This is because, statistically speaking, the observed will
appear to seek to evade the observer.
On the scale of practical infinity,
anything can happen and does happen.
There is an infinity of individual constituent phenomena behind
a measurable subatomic event. Unless one wishes to model an
entirely deterministic model of universal existence, which is,
I think, a sterile excercise, each constituent event may be
said to have its own agenda.
An interesting use of single photons to form a data stream to
allow quantum detection of data interception is resported by Stanford
University News .
Reconciliation
Fool that I am, I've been debating on the Well with people much
better informed than myself on Quantum Mechanics. The debate
goes round and round and runs something like this:
Me: Quantum measurement and chaos
theory have to be the same thing.
Better-informed: No they don't
because the definition of observation in QM is non-classical
thus-and-such and Chaos is a classical physical
system.
Me: But the issue of quantum
measurement itself seems to me perfectly intuitive by my
definition of a quantum.
Better-informed: You have invented
your own definition of quantum measurement.
And then the discussion stalls because I have not managed to
convey my vision of the reconcilabilty of quantum measurement
with classical measurement. Well, maybe I'm being foolish.
Still ...
Can paradoxes of quantum physics be resolved with
classical physics to some extent by the correct grasp of
quantum measurement itself?
It seems to me that they can be. One more traffic analogy
follows which attempts to explain instantaneous quantum
communication. I used the same example above in 2000-11-13 but I didn't present it very well,
so let me try again.
Traffic Flows and Instantaneous Quantum Communication
- This example is about how one apparent paradox of quantum
measurement, instantaneous quantum communication, seems
reconcilable with an intuitive, classical grasp of the
problem modelled on observable phenomenon in quotidian
experience.
- This example suggests that the apparent paradox of
instantaneous quantum communication lies in misconstrual of
the nature of quantum measurement.
Say we have a high-speed limited-access modern automobile
highway with on-ramps and off-ramps.
Let there exist on this highway a specific downtown on-ramp
'A' and a specific suburban off-ramp 'B'.
During evening rush hour, there are a certain number of cars
forming a somewhat steady stream entering A which will exit at
B.
As the A->B'er on-ramp traffic at A increases, the
off-ramp traffic at B increases subsequently. Assuming traffic
is flowing smoothly, attempt to graph the flow onto A and the
flow off of B and correlate their amplitudes second by
second.
Since there is traffic entering A that does not go to B, and
traffic exiting B that does not originate at A, the correlation
may be easy or difficult depending on the volume of this
extraneous traffic on either ramp relative to the volume of
A->B traffic. But if you can see the correlation, the waves
will be offset. As traffic diminishes on A, the diminishment on
B will be subsequent by some offset, and so for
augmentation.
Suppose there are many people wanting to do the A->B trip
and they are periodically metered by surface-street traffic
lights as they approach the ramp. So every 90 seconds you have
a burst of A activity followed sometime later by a burst of B
activity. The graph of A superimposed on B becomes recognizably
periodic to the eye with an offset between B and A.
Here's the crux. Here's where it comes down to quantum
measurement explaining instantaneous quantum communication, in
these two points:
- If the time to travel between B and A is an integer
multiple of 90 seconds, B and A will appear synchronized. If
A is measured low, B is low. If A is high, B is high, and so
for intermediate amplitudes.
- If an observer has a stroboscopic view of the ongoing
graph, A & B can appear not only synchronized, but stable
at one absolute amplitude once the measurement is made and
the offset and regular period of the stroboscopic view
established.
This applies not only to speed and location of measured quanta
but to all characteristics, since the definition of the quantum
as a composite of myriad constituent phenomena implies that all
characteristics are agglutinations of periodic behavior of the
sub-phenomena.
I intuit that this is the nature of instantaneous quantum
communication.
After Some Discussion on the
WELL
The special, figurative usage of the term "stroboscopic" in the
discussion above is meant to imply that the ideas presented
above may be verifiable experimentally at the particle level.
If you assume that there is some hidden periodic time base
þ in our observations of subatomic phenomena, all you
have to do find a way to make paired measurements skewed by
some non-integer multiple or divisor of þ and you will
observe something palpably other than you were given to expect
by the canonical interpretation of quantum paradox.
Mitsu points out an interesting discussion thread on an optical
QM delayed-choice experiment .
Interesting discussion on the WELL today about particle/wave
duality in the context of the optical
QM delayed-choice experiment mentioned earlier. In the
context of the discussion, I posted the following:
I have no problem with the idea that a quantum called a
"photon" is a composite of myriad constituent phenomena, and
that it can exhibit wave and particle nature. I'd have called
it a "bolus" if I'd invented the terminology, at least as far
as I currently misunderstand it :-) "Bolus" because that's
what your dinner is called when it goes down your esophagus,
during which trip it exhibits both wave and particle nature.
The quantum paradox relative to the photon argument seems to me
to resolve itself into a circular argument dictated by
observation technique. The circular argument goes something
like this:
- We know the behavior of the photon because we measured
statistically.
- When we try to study one photon we become enmeshed in
paradox.
- But we only or mostly measure statistically. We never or
rarely measure one photon.
Really the crux of it all is summed up in "An
End to Uncertainty" in New Scientist, where the
authors write:
In a two-slit device, however, it effectively splits its own
existence, and goes through both slits.
But of course this can only be proven statistically. And if you
observer, you observe it acting as an unsplit particle and
spoil the effect.
Of course. Because particles don't split their existence and
go through both slits. This is the "American family with 2-1/4
children" paradox.
Boluses and the observer spoiling interfernce
The article says that it had been assumed that some random kick
was imparted which spoiled the reunion of the "split" particle.
Then they refuted that, and went with the metaphyisical
"entaglement" which is nonetheless very satisfying.
Here's the entanglement. Visualize this.
Here we have a photon emitter. It will burble up an average
of x.y photons per n nanoseconds.
When does it burble them up precisely? Can't be said. Just
statistical.
Okay. It starts burbling. A cluster of boluses come burbling
outwards jostling each other. Each of these boluses is wealthy
in consituent sub-phenomena on the order of a galactic
subcluster.
A megabolus of boluses locked in a formation launch together
from the emitter. A megabolus of (z>(x.y))/m can satify
x.y/n by some m>n, statistically.
Some go one way, some another. They meet at the target,
their tremendous velocity helping preserve their orientation
and spin. They meet focussed off kilter and bands appear. It's
well known that sound behaves precisely in this fashion. Why
should light be different? It seems to explain the
behavior.
I'm ready to explain why observation ruins interference, if
you're with me this far. It's even more fanciful.
The bolus represents a sort of "petrified forest". It
subconstituents are subject to accretion and excretion.
Whatever fleas on littler fleas constitute the dust of
interquantum space, the bolus accretes and leaves behind some
discarded subconstituent mass. It is indeed a bolus.
That which the observer observes is a bolus. The creation of
a channel for the bolus to interact with the bolus of
observation transforms the orientation in many dimensions of
the observed bolus. Imagine a lightspeed collision of two
trembling globules of unimaginably low density.
The two boluses interpenetrate and transform one another
profoundly without transforming significantly the momentum of
either bolus. Momentum is preserved. It's like the comedy
sketch where two guys run towards one another and collide and
emerge from the collision each going his original direction at
the same momentum but they're wearing each other's clothes.
The bolus is a possible explanation of the dual
wave/particle nature of light and of why observation ruins
interference.
This also happens, I suspect, at the astrophysical scale. A
pulsar is emitting quanta of energy, galaxy-sized quanta,
bursts of boluses in relation to which our galaxy is an
interacting but vastly denser entity.
A Bad Day for the Bolus
Mitsu managed to convey to my thick skull the paradox pointed
out by interference experiments. I was ready to surrender on my
"bolus" theory but I think I have salvaged it, or at least
deepened the error into which I am tumbling :-)
Given:
- That we have an apparatus with a beam splitter and
recombiner as shown in the optical
QM delayed-choice experiment
- (Except that the illustration should show, but doesn't,
that phase is shifted for interefence by making one path
between split and recombine longer than the other)
- That apparatus can emit as few as one photon per
shot.
- That in either path, the photon can be observed between
splitter and recombiner if desired.
Mitsu informs me that empirically the following result can be
obtained:
| Number of apparati |
Emitted |
Observed between split and recombine? |
View of all exposed plates superimposed |
| 1 |
Continuous stream of photons |
No |
Interference |
| 1 |
Continuous stream of photons |
Yes |
No interference |
| 1 |
One photon per second |
No |
Interference |
| 1 |
One photon per second |
Yes |
No interference |
| Many |
Continuous stream of photons |
No |
Interference |
| Many |
Continuous stream of photons |
Yes |
No interference |
| Many |
One photon per emitter once |
No |
Interference |
| Many |
One photon per emitter once |
Yes |
No interference |
That is, one photon going through an apparatus designed to
demonstrate interference shows that interference whether or not
in synchronously encountered another photon whose wave phase it
may interfere with.
Save The Bolus!
So what happens when a bolus encounters this setup?
Let's restate and perhaps expand on our hypothetical
bolus-style photon:
- A photon might be what I call a bolus.
-
A bolus is like a bolus in your esophagus:
- it has mass,
- in interaction with its surroundings (your gullet) it
has wave properties.
Now imagine viewing a photon from a perspective where a photon
seems to the observer somewhat smaller than a galaxy, but on
that scale. What are its surroundings? Let's call its
surrounding "the ambient subatomic universe".
There is a density of dust, of free atoms in intergalactic
space on the astrophysical scale of about 1 atom per 1000 cubic
centimeters (thanks again, Mitsu). To an observer to whom a
galaxy of our astrophysical universe was roughly the size of a
photon, that intergalactic dust would be immeasurably
evanescent. Mathematically, its mass and charge would have been
subsumed in constants describing the overall system.
So then for the bolus theory to survive, the following must
be true:
When a photon hits a beam splitter, it
imparts a light-speed shock wave to the ambient subatomic
universe in the path opposite to that taken by the photon. It
recombines and interferes with that wave at
recombination.
Since the mass to which the shock is imparted is zero to our
measurements, the momentum lost by the photon in imparting the
shock wave is zero to our measurements.
Voila ... have we saved the bolus? Well, tomorrow people
from the Well will read this and someone will no doubt stump me
again!
Mitsu and I are down to it on the Well. I have to correlate my
intuitions to Bell's Theorem or my apparently locality-based
bolueses and shock waves go into the ashbin of dilettante
speculation.
The web page on
Bell's Theorem purports to explain Bell's proof that
quantum mechanics can't be explained by any locality-based
theory. I am reading it now and trying to grok if I am refuted
or no.
Okay, I think I get the point. Using the example of the
electron:
- electron spin has a statistical probablity of being
measured in one of two orientations on any arbitrary axis,
but the measurement affects the electron and orients it
definitively either 1 or -1 with respect to that axis.
- Once its orientation of 1 on one axis is determined, it
probability of being measured 1 on another axis offset from
the measured orientation by angle q is
cos2q.
- The empirical observation is that the probabilistic
result of measuring each of two entangled electrons in one of
three orientations offset by 120° separately with one
measurement preceding the other conforms to predictions based
on the assumption that the second becomes oriented inversely
from the first with respect the axis upon which the first was
measured as a result of that measurement itself, rather than
conforming to probability predictions of an assumption of a
"hidden variable" shared by the entangled electrons.
What is Spin Measurement?
I suppose I will have to study spin measurement more, because
the paradox presented in the electron spin experiment seems no
paradox to me.
What is spin and spin measurement?
- Picture an electron as a penny spinning and precessing in
all axes.
- Its north pole fractally describes a globe.
- Effectively, spin measurement must be measuring direction
of spin during the time an electron's north pole is in the
measured orientation.
Ergo, information travels faster than light because no new
information is transmitted. Electron B which is quantum
entangled with electron A is in a statistically reliable
orientation in some regards with relation to a measurement of
electron A. The observed behavior is that for any orientation
measured the result for B will be the inverse of A. The formula
cos2 q for the probability of measuring the same
orientation at some angle q (sorry, no theta in this browser)
subsequent to a prior measurement appears then to reflect in
some fashion the period of the precession of the eletron pole.
In this line of thought, measurement appears to change and
"latch" electron A (using the term "latch" analogous to the
digital microelectronic sequencing use of the term). This
appearance is the measurement instrument identifying the
direction of spin for that orientation of the electron. There
is no change-via-observation in A to be communicated to B.
Bell Sidestepped?
Have I salvaged the hidden variable? I cannot have, because
others assure me that Bell proves no hidden variable can
account for the observed behavior. But if a challenge to the
interpretation of the observed behavior can be sustained, there
is no paradox to pass through Bell. Then Bell remains valid and
consistent, but without application to quantum physics.
Isn't it possible that Bell is inapplicable, at least to the
electron spin paradox we have been dealing with, if it is
plausible that spin measurement does not measure the electron
pole orientation, but rather measures the direction of the spin
for the polar orientation of the direction of measurement.
The electron whose pole precesses through the globe has a
direction to report for any orientation.
I've been wrestling with Bell's inequality and I have a
question.
Is the Study of Probability Itself Flawed?
Independently and preceding my interest in quantum measurement,
I came to some empirical conclusions regarding probability. I
am convinced that certain assumptions of probability as
expressed in textbooks are not valid from a game theory point
of view. A real-world illustration of the sort of thing that I
am talking about is the comment made to me privately by a
senior and world-renowned professor of mathematics that he
frequently played the California lottery when the prizes got
large, because, "If you have no other chance of obtaining a
million dollars, you should buy lottery tickets when the odds
are the most in your favor. Then it's a reasonably good bet."
It can be argued that this insight of the professor does not
change his formal assessment of the percentage likelihood that
he will win. But Benoit Mandelbrot has pointed out the fractal
geometry of nature, and that studies of fractal geometry were
dismissed by mathematicians in earlier decades as the study of
freaks and sports. Mandelbrot argues in reply that here are no
true circles, no straight lines, no perfect squares in nature.
Analogously, the study of classical odds in a bet like winning
the big one in the California lottery appears a sterile and
academic excercise compared to a iteratively refined estimate
of amount by which the longshot payoff had shifted in your
favor, the feasability of forming a syndicate, etc, concomitant
with the increase in the size of the prize due to
carryovers.
Classical probability is suspect on similar epistemological
grounds to those offered by Mandelbrot as objections to the
sterility of geometry as he encountered it. If the classical
assessment of probabilistic expectations resulting from a
hidden variable theory can be cast into doubt, it seems to me
that the Bell inequality has no meaning.
Storming the Citadel
If the only proof that "spooky action at a
distance" is inconsistent with a sufficiently sophisticated
hidden variable theory is the discrepancy of probabilistic
assessment, then the best chance to Save the Bolus is to
storm the citadel of classical probability.
The word random can be shown epistemologically to reduce
to "I don't know".
All phenomena exhibit patterns. The more real-world the
phenomenon, the more intricate the patterns until we reach an
assessment of "I can't follow the pattern" and we call that
randomicity. Or more practically, "I didn't determine the
pattern" which works among us humans in games of chance, as
long as the determinism of the pattern transcends the wit and
the will of the participants.
Einstein didn't like things left to chance. He archly
asserted that "God does not play dice with the universe."
Perhaps if he had recognized that God is playing with loaded
dice, Einstein would have been more sanguine.
It may be a ferocious battle to storm the citadel of
classical probability, but if we succeed, we'll have done less
violence with Occam's razor than does the metaphysical
assumption that a particle extratemporally knows that its
entangled particle has been measured, an assumption forced upon
us by Bell's Inequality.
Synopsis and Summation
- Over several days, I have proposed an amusting theory
which seems to account for one allegedly mysterious quantum
phenomenon, single-photon interference.
- Physics buffs toyed with my theory then dismissed it for
violating Bell's Theorem.
- Bell's Theorem was illustrated to me by
Gary Felder's paper on Bell's Theorem .
- As a result, in my limited understanding it appears to me
that if one could tinker only slightly with some assumptions
about probability, the objections to the bolus theory of
light would vanish. All that would matter then would be
consistency for experimental results.
-
The two issues are related: one has to offer a good local
theory even if we can toy slightly with probability.
- Ergo, some experimentation direction should be
indicated by the proposed theory whilst we conduct
thought experiments on probability itself. The success of
experiments predicted by the local theory would lend
urgency to the ongoing examination and audit of
probability.
- I assert that there is a plausible if difficult
experiment suggested by my explanation of single-photon
interference. Can the reader deduce it?
More sites
I seem to be losing the debate on Bell's Theorem. Ah, well, we
dilletantes must remember that Rome wasn't burned in a day :-).
I think I'll wander off on another tack. Since Bell's
Theorem proves that my idea is impossible, I'll use the
heuristic of setting aside the theory and going for some
experimental evidence. At worst, I just confirm Bell.
If what the scientists call locality supported by a hidden
variable were possible, the most plausible theory I can come up
with for single-photon interference would be my bolus +
shock-wave-in-the-ambient-quantum-universe idea. Now, as far as
I can grasp, if there were such a thing as a shock wave in the
ambient quantum universe, the closest thing to this I can find
so far which quantum physics has seriously posited is the
elusive neutrino. I have read its description as massless and
moving at the speed of light. Sounds like a shock wave,
huh?
So, in other words, the bolus/shock wave theory could be
easily disproved without Bell. You'd just have to see if when a
photon went down one side of a beam-splitter a neutrino went
down the other side. No neutrino, no local theory (presuming
I'm correct in making my shock wave a neutrino). I wonder if
this sort of experiment is possible.
Misunderstanding what a neutrino is gave me pause for about 18
months. The attempt to flesh out a bolus is amusing but
distracting from the gist of the argument. The bolus amounts to
trying to point to one vanishingly small ripple of a wave
travelling through the ambient subatomic universe and invest it
with cosmological significance. It's an angel on the head of a
pin.
However, the principal assertions of this document found as
the entry for 2000-11-12 seem to me
still to stand.
Let's tackle it this way: Say that Bell's theorem with
respect to its application to the discussion at hand is
something like a tautology.
What is quantum entanglement?
Quantum entaglement is the result of a continuum which we are
perceiving, or measuring, in discrete observations. Two events
are entangled because they are the same event. This resolves
the paradox of time travel : the perceived cannot be other that
that perceived by the perceiver in the branch in which the
perceiving occurs.
This seems to me in no way to contradict Bell's theorem,
which is merely predictive and not fully ontological
.
Same event or same substance?
To say that two entangled events are the same event is not to
assert they are the same substance, to speak figuratively of
substance.
An event is a stream of constituent events in the subatomic
universe. This is why it is, as well known, an error to
separate the wave nature of a quantum event from its physical
nature, because we are dealing with waves of events, mass
movements, figuratively, that have a regularity sufficient to
allow their measurement. We can't see the event; we see the
echo of myriad events within a continuum in the ambient
subatomic universe in which the event occurs.
Durable entanglement
Within the past week or so, it was announced that experiments
in entanglement had allow events to continue entangled as their
perceived particles travelled through metal. While excellent
engineering, this is hardly surprising, since there must be
some way to impart a wave into the ambient subatomic universe
sufficient to knock the golf ball through the woods and back
out onto fairway, so to speak.
No paradoxes
I see no paradox in the paradoxes of quantum physics. I
continue to assert that:
- The perceived measurements make perfect sense in the
light of the physics perceived on our own scale, if one takes
into account that quantum events are perceptions of nearly
unimaginably numerous and complex subconstituents of the
quantum.
-
As we look at cyclones and galaxies and clusters of
galaxies, the largest things we can perceive, we are
similarly perceiving nearly unimaginably numerous and
complex subconstituents as quanta,
- and that galaxies are, in their own continua,
obeying the same mathematical laws as quanta do on the
subatomic scale .
Predictive capacity of my theory
From a conversation on the WELL :
Topic 550 [science]: Quantum Mechanics
#512 of 512: Jack J. Woehr (jax) Wed Jan 1 '03 (22:23) 32
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Anyway, <mitsu>, you and I agree on one thing: That
the nexus is
something about our perception of the matter.
I assert that the perceptual nexus is our inability to see
the logical
implications of viewing as unitary entities phenomona composed
of
innumerable component entities.
You have (at times) challenged this theory by demanding of
it some
predictive capacity.
I offer now a prediction implied by my theory. The
prediction lies
outside of our ability to apply an experiment, but perhaps
we'll
be lucky enough that the predicted outcome will manifest
itself
in our lifetimes. Here it is:
If, indeed, quantum effects such as entanglement arise as
I
suggest, then at some time, we should see within our
astronomical
range of vision a phenomenon such as this:
Something big, like a pulsar or quasar, suddenly changes
state. Maybe it explodes and takes out an arm of a galaxy.
Maybe it suddenly changes spin. AT THE SAME TIME, another
similar body, say a million parsecs away, SIMULTANEOUSLY
exhibits a complementary change in state.
Of course, the chance of us seeing something like that ...
they'd
have to be roughly the same distance from our observation
point
so that within recorded history both events could be
witnessed
and correlated ... seems pretty slim.
BUT ... if it were to happen ... you see.
2003-07-16
(Summary restatement of the theory)
-
I propose that the quantum universe is our universe.
- The paradoxes observed in the subatomic world
are logical consequences of the practical
necessity of observing phenomena as unitary which
are in fact of nearly infinitely complex constituent
composition.
-
It follows from such a theory that interesting
phenomena of the subatomic world may well be
paralleled by galactic and pangalactic
phenomena.
-
One should look for spooky entanglement
between quasars and pulsars.
- These two genera of macrophenomenon
are sufficiently far from our scale in the
opposite direction of the subatomic
universe to exhibit quantum paradox.
- Intuitively our quotidien time scale may seem
pulsed or strobed w/r/t observations of the subatomic
universe leading to observed replication of phenomena
in entities transiting a number of states in a
rythm synchronized to the oberserver's time scale
pulse.
-
Weak parallels of quantum phenomena may be observed
in daily life.
-
The pulsating density of exit ramp traffic from
an automobile freeway possessing metered on-ramps is
a spooky entanglement if viewed from a different
time scale provided there is some unclarity of ordering
of observed events.
-
The unclarity can be implicit in the
observation.
-
Composite elements of the information
flow on composite phenomena considered
unitary can transit the ambient
subatomic universe to arrive at the observer
out of order.
- Bundles of information can taken
different paths to arrive at the same
observation point.
-
Hurricanes and other statistical monstrosities
which beggar mathematics.
-
On our daily scale we see a hurricane
simultaneously as unitary and as a sum of its
composite elements.
- One simultaneously sees with one's own eyes
the hurricane as a twister, but also as a wind
mass laden with identifiable (a tree limb, a
newspaper) debris.
- Subatomic phenomena can likewise be dually
viewed.
-
Our daily universe is congruent and consecutive with all
the observed entitites.
- Any transformation in the time-space conditions of
the observer's laboratory affects the observed phenomena
in the same locale.
-
The linkeage is the confluence of the consituent
elements of the observer and the observered in the ebb
and flow of the ambient subatomic universe of
which we are all similarly composed.
-
Both observer and observer are all in the same
ocean and of the same ocean of subatomic
phenomena.
- Remotely as the handshake may be, observer
and observed are touching at all times.
-
It is information about phenomena we are observing,
and not the phenomena themselves.
- Statistical rounding occurs in the very instruments
used to observe.
- Information and network theory must be applied to
observations.
2004-01-29
The Zen of QM methinks
Quantum measurement is measurement at the point where quantity
becomes quality.
2004-04-09
Mitsu Describes Quantum Measurement's Paradox
Mitsu Hadeishi on the WELL once again drummed the paradoxical
nature of quantum measurement into my head.
First he had me read the following websites:
Then an interesting exchange took place. I had described the
structure of an electron as perhaps being a "roiling cloud".
Mitsu grabbed my terminology as a cudgel :-)
The following transcript is edited somewhat in the interests
of brevity and clarity.
science.552.1145: Pseud
Impaired (mitsu) Thu 8 Apr 04 02:26
>If the
composite we call an electron is a roiling cloud of
myriad
>infinitesimal
sub-entities, why is the angular correlation with
>spin
measurement surprising?
The correlations
are surprising because they depend on how
you're measuring
at A and B, not just on the measurements you
get at A and
B. As I keep saying, correlations by themselves
are
hardly
surprising. It doesn't take roiling clouds or
whatever
to produce
correlations. The strange thing is how the
correlations
vary with the different setups of the measurement
apparatuses at A
and B.
The key hinges
on whether the two particles (roiling clouds,
whatever) are
*independent* or not. In a classical world,
the
measurement at A
couldn't possibly depend in any way on what the
observer at B
decides to do. The observation at A should
depend
only on the
"roiling cloud" and its interaction with the
apparatus at
A. *But that's not what we observe in
nature*.
What Bell's
Theorem says is that no matter how complex you
try to imagine
the particle at A is, what you observe at A
will not only
depend on the particle at A, but on what the
observer decides
to observe at B. The correlations will depend
on something
that is happening far away, and it could
be a spacelike
separated interval.
But the
"quotidian picture" says that what the observer
does
at B couldn't
have any bearing on what is observed at A.
But
it
does.
science.552.1147:
Pseud Impaired (mitsu) Thu 8 Apr 04 09:45
>The
observations coincide
As I keep
saying, they don't merely coincide --- they exist in a
specific
statistical
relationship that depends on the relative angle between the
two
measuring
instruments at A and B. What's spooky is that no local
theory can
explain this
relationship.
Let me try to
lay it out a bit more specifically. Suppose you were
to
choose three
possible orientations of your instruments at A and B,
zero
degrees, 120
degrees, and 240 degrees. Let's call these orientations
1, 2,
and 3. We
know that if we measure in orientation 1 at A and
orientation
1 at B they will
perfectly anti-correlate --- spin "up" will always
correspond to
spin "down" at B, and vice-versa. The same, of course,
goes
for orientations
2 and 3.
So far so good
--- nothing spooky yet.
Now suppose at A
we measure along orientation 1, but at B we measure
along
orientation
2. Because the cosine of the relative angle is -.5, we
will
find, over time,
that the measurements at A and B have a statistical
correlation of
50%, which is to say, 75% of the time they will
come up with the
same measurement, and 25% of the time they will
come
up with the
opposite measurement.
The same could
be said for choosing orientation 1 at A and orientation
3
at B, and so
forth for every other pair of orientations.
If the world
were as you suggest, the measurement of the particle at
any
given
orientation at A would be determined in advance (by whirling
vortices
or
whatever). Measured along orientation 1, the particle
at A would be
spin up, say,
and along 2 it's spin down, along 3 it's spin up, or
whatever.
Let's say we
write down what the measuring device at A is going to say
for
orientations 1,
2, and 3 for each particle at A, and do the same
for
each particle at
B.
If we have this
big table of observations, to make it consistent
with
quantum
mechanics, we have to set it up the table so that the
observations
are always
opposite in the corresponding columns of the tables at A and
B.
In other words,
if column 2, particle 567A says "up", column 2,
particle
567B will say
"down".
Now, the test:
can you make a table so that the corresponding columns
(1,
2 and 3) are all
100% anticorrelated, AND all pairwise columns are
50%
correlated? I.e., if
column 2, particle 567A says "up", there is a 75%
chance that
column 1 particle 567B says "up" AND a 75% chance that column
3
particle 567B
also says "up"?
The answer, in
short, is no. Bell's Theorem says no matter how hard
you
try to make a
table that satisfies both conditions at once, you can't do
it.
science.552.1159:
Pseud Impaired (mitsu) Thu 8 Apr 04 11:32
To be more
specific, for a specific roiling cloud, there could be
eight
possibilities:
If the specific
roiling cloud hits the measuring apparatus at A in
a given
orientation, we could see:
Orientation 1 |
Orientation 2 | Orientation 3
spin
up-1 | spin up-2
| spin up-3
spin
up-1 | spin up-2
| spin dn-3
spin
up-1 | spin dn-2
| spin up-3
spin
up-1 | spin dn-2
| spin dn-3
spin
dn-1 | spin up-2
| spin up-3
spin
dn-1 | spin up-2
| spin dn-3
spin
dn-1 | spin dn-2
| spin up-3
spin
dn-1 | spin dn-2
| spin dn-3
science.552.1160:
"Quantum mechanics is where quantity becomes quality," says
(jax) Thu 8 Apr 04 11:34
Yes.
science.552.1161:
Pseud Impaired (mitsu) Thu 8 Apr 04 11:37
Okay. What
I am saying is the following. For any given pair of
entangled
particles, you
will have a roiling cloud going one way, and a roiling
cloud
going the other
way. For any given roiling cloud, we can choose one of
the
eight
possibilities above as to what happens when it hits the
measuring
apparatus at
A. Conservation of angular momentum says that if we
choose,
say:
spin up-1 | spin
dn-2 | spin dn-3
we then have to
choose, for the roiling cloud heading towards B:
spin dn-1 | spin
up-2 | spin up-3
because whenever
we see spin up-1 at A we always get spin dn-1 at B,
and
so
forth.
science.552.1162:
"Quantum mechanics is where quantity becomes quality," says
(jax) Thu 8 Apr 04 11:42
Um, I think so,
only, you don't get to measure all three at once,
right? You get
to choose, like, spin-1 at A and spin-1 at B, or
spin-1 at A and
spin-2 at B, right?
science.552.1163:
Pseud Impaired (mitsu) Thu 8 Apr 04 11:53
You're beginning
to see the crux of the matter, grasshopper.
But for the sake
of argument let's just stick with what you've said yes
to
already and
follow the consequences of that through, which is that
we
can answer these
three questions for a given roiling cloud in a manner
which
is independent
of what the other observer (at B) decides to measure
and
is entirely
determined by the state of the roiling cloud and the
orientation
of the
apparatus.
There are really
only two fundamentally distinct possibilities.
One
possibility is
that you have a line which is the same for all
three
cases, i.e.,
up-1, up-2, up-3, or dn-1, dn-2, dn-3. If one of
these
lines is the
case for a given particle, we have to choose the
opposite
corresponding
line:
up-1, up-2, up-3
at A : dn-1, dn-2, dn-3 at B
In this case we
have a situation where 0% of the time you get
corrresponding
observations
given two random but different orientations of your
instruments
at A and
B.
The other case
is where one of the measurements is different,
i.e.,
up-1, dn-2, up-3
at A : dn-1, up-2, dn-3 at B
All the other
cases are just permutations or inversions of the
above
case.
science.552.1164:
"Quantum mechanics is where quantity becomes quality," says
(jax) Thu 8 Apr 04 11:56
You're saying
B-2 is the same angle as A-2, etc., right?
science.552.1165:
Pseud Impaired (mitsu) Thu 8 Apr 04 11:57
Now let's see
what the statistics look like for that case.
If
it's
up-1, dn-2, up-3
at A : dn-1, up-2, dn-3 at B
Suppose we
choose to measure at A in orientation 1, and at B in
orientation
2. We will
then have a "match" --- we get up-1 at A and up-2 at B
(we're
saying "up-1"
and "up-2" match just for the sake of argument).
Similarly for
all the other possible combinations of apparatus
orientations,
we have 4
matches, and 2 non-matches.
I.e., if you
randomly pick an orientation at A and B that are different,
and
you have roiling
clouds with the above lines, you will have a "match"
4
times and a
"non-match" 2 times.
Since there are
six such combinations, that means that 4 out of 6 times
you
will have a
"match" --- i.e., 2/3rds of the time.
science.552.1166:
Pseud Impaired (mitsu) Thu 8 Apr 04 11:58
Slippage.
Yes, B-2 is the same angle as A-2, but all we have to know
for
the sake of
argument is that whatever the angles, B-2 and A-2 will
always
show the
opposite measurements for a given pair of entangled particles
in
our
experiment.
science.552.1167:
"Quantum mechanics is where quantity becomes quality," says
(jax) Thu 8 Apr 04 12:07
Um .. yes, but
how is the fact that you can create a truth table
enumerating all
the possibilities, a truth table that exhibits on
paper the 2/3
ratio of match to non-match, predictive of what you
will
actually find in
measurement? It sounds like building a paper
model and
expecting reality to match it.
science.552.1168:
Pseud Impaired (mitsu) Thu 8 Apr 04 12:24
The table
depends only on one assumption, which you agreed to
above:
The measurement
of a given roiling cloud depends only on the roiling
cloud
and the
orientation of the measuring apparatus.
The 2/3rds
maximum statistics follows logically from that one
assumption,
as I
demonstrated. So, the question is, what is it about
that assumption
that you want to
retract? (We're getting very close to the main
point.)
science.552.1169:
"Quantum mechanics is where quantity becomes quality," says
(jax) Thu 8 Apr 04 12:25
Okay,
stipulated. Go on.
science.552.1170:
Pseud Impaired (mitsu) Thu 8 Apr 04 14:05
What this means
is that if the roiling clouds are of the first type
(all the same,
up-1, up-2, and up3, or dn-1, dn-2, and dn-3) then we
will
get 0% matches
no matter what orientation of the measuring apparatus
you
choose (1, 2 and
3 are all opposite).
In the case
where one of the three is different from the others (say,
up-1,
dn-2, and up-3),
you will get matches 2/3rds of the time for random
orientations of
the apparatus that are different (A-1 and B-2, or A-3
and
B-1, or
whatever).
This reasoning
means that in your roiling cloud universe, the MOST we
can
expect the two
instruments to "match" (as defined above) when they
are
oriented at
different angles is 2/3rds of the time.
But (and now we
can finally cue the Twilight Zone music) what we
actually
observe is that
for two randomly oriented instruments whose angles differ
by
120 degrees, we
actually see the same measurement 3/4ths of the time, or
75
percent.
In other words,
starting from the assumption:
The measurement
of a roiling cloud depends only on the intricate
internal
structure of the
roiling cloud and the orientation of the measuring
instrument.
we must
conclude:
The most one can
expect randomly-oriented instruments at A and B that
have
different
orientations (selecting between one of the three
possibilites)
to "match" is
2/3rds of the time.
But in nature,
we observe them matching 3/4ths of the time.
Thus: there must
be something wrong with the initial assumption.
The various
interpretations of QM are different ways of dealing
with
that initial
assumption.
science.552.1171:
Pseud Impaired (mitsu) Thu 8 Apr 04 14:07
That is, the
different interpretations of QM attack different aspects
of
what might be
wrong with the initial assumption.
science.552.1172:
"Quantum mechanics is where quantity becomes quality," says
(jax) Thu 8 Apr 04 16:50
Suppose the "we
must conclude" is wrong. Suppose we don't have
to conclude that
from all the other truths you have expressed.
science.552.1173:
Pseud Impaired (mitsu) Thu 8 Apr 04 17:06
I broke the
proof down into little steps, each of which is so small that
you
agreed with them
as I stated them, one by one. Although it's true that
the
chain of
reasoning is long enough that you might not be able to
intuitively
see the end from
the beginning, if you don't accept the conclusion but
do
accept each step
in the proof, then you have to tell me what specific
step
you don't, in
retrospect, buy.
The steps, to
recap:
Measurements are
determined by the roiling cloud and the state of
the
measurement
apparatus.
This means, for
a given cloud, you can write down what the measurement
would
be if the
apparatus was in position 1, position 2, or position 3, for
that
cloud.
We know that for
two entangled clouds, measurement at A along 1 is
always
the opposite of
measurement at B along 1, and so forth. This is
empirically
verified and
predicted by conservation of angular momentum.
This means for
the particle approaching A, the three measurements A1,
A2,
and A3 must be
the opposite of the measurements B1, B2, and B3.
For a given pair
of entangled clouds, we can write down the measurements
we
expect to see at
A and B given an apparatus angled along 1, 2, or 3.
There are only
two distinct possibilties for those measurements.
Either
they're all the
same (up, up, up) and (down, down, down) or one is
different from
the other two (up, down, up) and (down, up, down).
In the former
case the non-coinciding matches are 0%.
In the latter
case the non-coinciding matches are 2/3rds.
But in nature
non-coinciding matches is actually 3/4ths.
Now, where in
this chain of reasoning is the problem?
I will say this:
you were on the right track when you said that in
reality,
we can only
measure the particles in one specific set of orientations,
not
all
three.
to be continued ...
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