searchlight casting (jstrahl) Sat 24 Dec 05 20:59
First ship sink and drown from the "rocking of the boat", ie the increasing paralysis of the US gov't by the late '60s in the face of massive rebellions within the African American community, on campuses, even within the armed forces,...Similarities to the "rock the boat" line in US Blues. The protagonist is out to sink the new ship of fools.
Robin Russell (rrussell8) Fri 17 Feb 06 12:28
Or the first Nixon administration?
searchlight casting (jstrahl) Mon 20 Feb 06 12:25
You mean '69-'73? One can only *wish* it had sunk from the rocking of the boat, i sure tried, along with lots of others:-). Or do you mean the protagonist is out to sink the first Nixon administration? Given the timing, he would be late ( i think the tune was written in late '73).
from BAMFINNEY (tnf) Wed 22 Feb 06 08:58
bamfinney writes: In comparing the two songs, Ship of Fools and The Golden Vanity (if they can and should be compared so deeply), the cabin boy in GV offered to sink the "first ship," the "Turkish enemy." In SOF the narrator goes to see the strangest captain he can find and offers to sink the ship without even receiving any payment (so worthless is a ship of fools). The cabin boy swims out to sink the ship, but by the time he gets back to his own ship, it's too late. This strange captain has turned on him and leaves him for the sea to swallow ("it was later than I thought"). Jerry, not like that other captain, will not abandon anyone to the sea. He won't simply let you drift down through the cold, murky depths. His hand is extended to you. After all, its not just a cabin boy. It's us.
Robin Russell (rrussell8) Mon 27 Feb 06 09:19
I was referring to the first administration's place in history. The boat, as I envisage it, being rocked by those inside it. This not meaning to disparage jstrahl's efforts, nor those of anyone else, to improve the functioning of the body politic. On #29, I feel that "sink your ship of fools" refers to the captain's own ship, rather than being an offer to the captain to sink some other ship.
searchlight casting (jstrahl) Sun 2 Apr 06 14:14
Agree, definitely the captain's ship.
Robin Russell (rrussell8) Tue 4 Apr 06 10:33
I have started singing this one, so I may gain some insights from that.
Robin Russell (rrussell8) Wed 9 Mar 11 19:22
From WH Auden's 'The Enchafed Flood or The Romantic Iconography of the Sea' Random House NY 1950: "In consequence, though the metaphor of the ship of state or society appears early, it is only employed when society is in peril...When society is normal the image is the City or the Garden... The state ship that deliberately chooses the high seas is the state in disorder, the Ship of Fools, as in Barclay's adaptation of Brant's Narrenschiff: 'Lyke as a myrrour doth represent agayne The forme and fygure of mannes countenaunce So in our ship shall he se wrytyn playne The fourme and fygure of hys mysgovernaunce'" pp 8-9 The Romantics developed a new perspective: "Thus Byron writes of the ocean: 'Man marks the earth with ruin - his control Stops with the shore.' (Childe Harold) And Captain Nemo, the commander of the submarine Nautilus in 'Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea', cries: The sea does not belong to despots. Upon its surface men can still exercise unjust laws, fight, tear one another to pieces, and be carried away with terrestrial horors. But at thirty feet below its level, their reign disappears. Ah, sir; live, live in the bosom of the waters. There only is independence. There I recognize no master's voice. There I am free." pp 16-17
David Gans (tnf) Wed 19 Oct 16 12:42
I heard Bobby sing "I cannot bear your laughter" at the Fox Theater in Oakland 10/8/16. In every chorus that night.
David Dodd (ddodd) Thu 20 Oct 16 14:37
Oh no! Well... He gets several lyrics wrong on a regular basis. Or maybe it's not "wrong." Maybe he really cannot bear the laughter.
David Gans (tnf) Thu 20 Oct 16 15:53
Seemed like an intentional change to me, since he sang in every chorus. And I have no problem with it!
David Dodd (ddodd) Fri 21 Oct 16 13:09
Struggling with the tension between "intentional" changes in the lyrics and "wrong" changes in the lyrics. Hmmmm. In West LA Fadeaway, for instance, he usually, maybe always, sings "Don't want to buy it, just want to rent it for an hour or two," even on the final, deliberately different line Hunter wrote and Jerry sang: "Don't want to rent it, just want to use it for a minute or two." In that case, the meaning gets diminished.
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