Will Entrekin (willentrekin) Wed 26 May 04 18:00
Citizen Kane to now? Wow... What kind of things are you looking for exactly? I mean, that's a hell of a lot of ground to cover? Off the top of my head I'd show some (I have to admit, I don't know if these are all post-*Kane*): *Silence of the Lambs*; who's a better villain, ever, than Hannibal Lecter? (Okay, besides Linda Fiorentino in *The Last Seduction*, but) *To Kill a Mockingbird*; didn't Atticus Finch get greatest hero in the AFI list? *The Matrix*; just the first one. In fact, I haven't seen it, but there's a featurette on the *Reloaded* DVD about how much the first *Matrix* hit culture. *Star Wars*; no brainer. *Psycho*; the old one, *and* the new one. Just to see the how much difference the vision of one person can affect a movie. *Taxi Driver*; You talkin' to me? *ET*, *Jaws*, and *Raiders*; who else can you credit with the fact that Hollywood now mainly exists for twelve-year-old boys? *Schindler's List*; because he really did have something to say. *The Graduate*; Coo-koo-ka-choo, Mrs. Robinson. *The Terminator*; because he'll be back, and you'll elect him governor, too, just you watch. *Halloween*; of course, you really only have to play that theme, and it can do the whole job for you. *Titanic*; no, I didn't much like it. But I still watched it three times; you can't turn away from a car wreck, can you? Or a really big boat's sinking. *Shakespeare in Love*; just because I love it. And Tom Stoppard wrote it, which makes it one of the smartest movies in the world. And if Shakespeare were alive now, he'd probably be writing Hollywood movies, and some of them would probably be on this list. Brannagh's *Hamlet*; because I hated *Hamlet* until I watched it, and then it just happened, you know? *Top Gun*; because I just can't imagine movies without thinking of Tom Cruise, and while I enjoyed *Jerry Maguire* more, I feel the need. The need for speed. And I think she's lost that lovin' feelin'. Part of some *Lethal Weapon* and then *Braveheart*; Mel Gibson might just be the most powerful man in Hollywood. *Philadelphia* and *Saving Private Ryan*; because life might be a little like a box of chocolates, but Hanks was better gay or as a teacher (that's the scene I'd show, too. "Stop arguing, guys. I used to be a teacher.") *Clerks*; because you, too, can make a movie using your credit card. It'll look silly, and it'll prolly be crappy, but it'll still be a movie, and it just might make you a career. *The Blair Witch Project*; because it might not, though. *Breakfast at Tiffany's*; because film history without Audrey Hepburn is incomplete, which is why you also need *Bringing up Baby*; because you need Cary Grant, too. *Gigli*; because some movies are punchlines the moment they're made. *Lawrence of Arabia*; because most aren't. *The Ten Commandments*; have you ever watched anything else at Easter? *It's a Wonderful Life*; have you ever watched anything else at Christmas? *Casablanca*; because if you don't, you'll regret it. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon. And for the rest of your life. *Gone with the Wind*; because maybe, my dear, you won't give a damn.
Things that Make you Avoid Blogging part One: Cat Barf... (tinymonster) Thu 27 May 04 06:13
Man, there are a LOT of those I've still gotta see.
Dodge (clotildes) Thu 27 May 04 07:31
Wizard of Oz. That was a milestone movie. Gone With the Wind. The first really long epic movie people actually sat through. Cleopatra - The one with Elizabeth Taylor. Just because she and the other stars were IT during that time. Casablanca. African Queen
Will Entrekin (willentrekin) Thu 27 May 04 08:34
I can't believe I forgot the *Wizard of Oz*. Seriously. What's wrong with me? I think I have to mention *The Labyrinth,* too. Because it's Henson, and David Bowie in a codpiece. And those final M.C. Escher moments.
Dodge (clotildes) Thu 27 May 04 08:47
ANd let's not forget The Ten Commandments. Parting of the Red Sea and all. The original King and I.
Dodge (clotildes) Thu 27 May 04 08:48
Metropolis Fantasia - certainly strange
Dodge (clotildes) Thu 27 May 04 08:49
OOOH! Forbidden Planet.
Dodge (clotildes) Thu 27 May 04 08:49
AND War of the Worlds. Going this time.
Dodge (clotildes) Thu 27 May 04 11:17
Back. A lady I work with has a 12 year old daughter who is not doing well in reading. A suggestion was made that she reads out loud. Now, this is one of the women in my office who barely reads the newspaper. Just not much of a reading family. I leant her my Coraline. And told her to tell Emy to be sure and do the voices. They are going to the lake for a few days and she is going to have her do some of the reading aloud in the drive up there and then read a chapter each day. This weekend, I'll need to go through my books for those books I think she'll like. I have some horse books I know she'd like. She doesn't care for Nancy Drew. She likes mysteries so I'll debate about introducing her to Agatha Christie or Ellery Queen. Do you think they'd be too old for a 12-13 year old? Anyway. I have so many books. I'm sure I can find something else. Pratchett. More Gaiman. I think I'll make some book covers for my books. Take the covers off and keep them and cover the books with some pretty paper to protect them while she has them. I am determined not to get huffy if she damages them. After all. I can always buy another one. Right?
Zen Cohen (tinymonster) Thu 27 May 04 11:25
Good luck! Wish I could advise you about the Christie and Queen, but I haven't read either. I know I loved Edgar Allen Poe when I was around that age (and beyond)....
Dodge (clotildes) Thu 27 May 04 11:43
OOOh! YES! I have some of those! and some Mark Twain! They can be funny. I think I'm going to have fun scouring my bookshelves this weekend. Poor girl. I'll try not to give her mom a book for her to read until she finishes the one I'd sent. Or maybe I'll send two very different books each time so she can choose.
Zen Cohen (tinymonster) Thu 27 May 04 11:47
That's a good idea!
Mary Roane (the-roane) Thu 27 May 04 15:43
Maybe she would like some graphic novels, like Scary Godmother, or Wolves in the Walls. If she's having trouble with reading, Poe and Twain might make her feel even more like a failure because of the formality of the language. Perhaps whattshishead....wrote James and the Giant Peach? And Daniel Pinkwater is funny, too--Neil recommended him, but I was too old when I read him to truly appreciate him. I can see his appeal to younger folks, though. And Wee Free Men and 'Educated Rodents--I think I would have adored those even more when I was 12. I loved Walter Farley's books about horses and dogs at that age. My experience with my kids at school, who read very badly, is that formal language (like Poe, whose Tell-Tale Heart I taught this year) can be very off-putting when you are struggling to recognize the words, and don't know what many of them mean, and aren't good at recognizing meanings from context. Inverted sentence structure, archaic words and phrases, and unfamiliar figures of speech are major road blocks when you have all of them to contend with at one time. They can do it, and appreciate it, but reading it aloud in class gives them enough support to "get" the story. I don't know if they would stick with it if they were assigned to read it on their own. Reading some Poe *to* her might be good. If it's a non-reading household, how is her vocabulary? My seniors came across "mad as a hatter" in Heartbreak House this week and were flummoxed. They're an interesting mixture of very verbal and very limited in what words, phrases and references they understand. Sorry to go on so long! I love educational theory, even if education itself is giving me hives at the moment ;-) Will--you utterly and completely rock. I knew I would get great responses here. And I didn't realize that you had a birthday recently--happy 26th! My 26th sucked, so I will wish you my luck in this--that every one since then has been better. Dodge--Metropolis! I almost forgot. And yeah, Casablanca and Wizard and..... Tiny--me, too. What I'm trying to do is give them a little bit of a vocabulary of film history--they watch everything like it's real life, and have no critical response at all. They don't think about the "why" or "how" of any of it. I guess I want to give them the wonderful experience I had in grad school--I took the first section of film history with Charlie Eidsvik, a marvelous film scholar. We started at the beginning--Lumiere Brothers, train pulling into station, A Trip to the Moon, etc. 2-3 weeks into the course (we met 4 days a week for an hour and a half) we got to The Great Train Robbery. When the camera panned for the first time in film history, the class cheered. I don't think I've ever looked at film the same way. I'm no good on 1941--present 'cause Charlie went on his Fulbright scholarship to Germany to study Expressionism the next semester and there was no one to teach the class. Good God, I'm chatty! Off to.....probably check Neil's blog again, 'cause I'm going through withdrawal. How can he possibly be doing anything more important than blogging for us!? ;-)
Will Entrekin (willentrekin) Thu 27 May 04 17:19
Thank you, Mary, for the birthday wishes. Yep, turned the big 2-6 on May the 8th. And I have to say, it's fitting pretty well. Usually I have to grow into years, they start off a little long in the cuff. This year, I don't know, I feel ready. And it actually got off to a bang; a great night at a local pub with ten of my closest friends, some drinks, sure, but dancing and laughing more. Simply sublime. It may be my last one at home. We'll see how that goes... Glad I could help on the movies... the list can't be compleat, of course. I think I skewed more with popular culture in mind, too, you might consider; most of the movies I mentioned (and I didn't forget *The Ten Commandments*, dodge!) are more iconic than anything else. I loved that your class cheered when the camera panned. That's how to teach a class, right there. Anyone can teach, but to help someone *understand*? Good on 'im. As for books, just have to mention, 12-13 proved the most influential age of reading for me. Before then, it'd been all Hardy Boys books, Tom Swift, stuff like that. I had, like, a hundred of those "Case Files" things. Franklin W. Dixon was *the man*. (I may have told this story before, but) When I was 12, or so, I smuggled *Needful Things* out of my father's library (by library, I mean the wall unit where he kept twenty or thirty Stephen King books, mind you). I went to a Catholic Grade school, so I had to read it carefully, couldn't get caught, it was Stephen King, after all, and some hours I started reading about the rosary and ended reading about a suburban housewife about to blow an old man for a velvet Elvis painting. It took me a while (Stephen King has never been known for his brevity. He might be one of the reasons for my own tendency toward going on at length [for which I apologize. But that's me. Sorry]), but I remember, toward the end of school, my great aunt passed away. She was from Virginia, and my mother and father went down for the viewing et al., left us kids with friends of our family. I took the book, and I finished it that weekend. I wish, now, I could read that book again for the first time. I wonder if my reaction would be different, if it would change the course of my life. I wonder sometimes if I might not be graduating medical school next week had I not read that book. Because, you see, I read the ending of that novel, I'd never been so involved in a story, and it just Hit me. I'm a writer. That's what I was supposed to do. It was like the match to a stick of dynamite, and my world changed when it exploded. I can actually remember closing that book, looking at the cover, and realizing that I was different, and that I saw the world differently. All of which is not to recommend *Needful Things*, nah, I should probably reread it (I'm a little scared to, if you want the honest-to-Buddha truth), it was pretty trashy, really (but fuck-all if it wasn't more fun than a treeful of monkeys on nitrous oxide). There are hundreds of other books to recommend, too; I remember I loved Stasheff when I was around that age, too. I started reading Dean Koontz right around then, even. And for a girl, well, someone like Mary Higgins Clark might be good, because you can't go wrong having a strong female protagonist. Raoul Dahl wrote *James and the Giant Peach*. And *The Big, Friendly Giant*. Both of which it's rather easy to do far worse than, because they're fun books. But my point is, well, sometimes, a book when you're twelve... well. Talk about life-altering. And as for aloud, don't forget *Stardust*. I mean, the damned thing *begs* to be read aloud. And, truthfully, isn't as good if not (I've dated several girls I started reading it to, who then refuse to finish it, because we've broken up, and so I don't read to them anymore). Douglas Adams is great aloud, too. Go ahead, try to say "Slartibartfast" or "Zaphod Beeblebrox" out loud without breaking into fits of chortling. I dare you. See? You can't!
Sharon Lynne Fisher (slf) Thu 27 May 04 19:59
Will Entrekin (willentrekin) Fri 28 May 04 05:54
<chuckle> That'll teach me to post after I've taken a TylenolPM. Woops.
Dodge (clotildes) Fri 28 May 04 06:50
Yeah. And I was remembering older stuff. Well. Off to do movies this weekend. Will go by myself if nobody wants to. So many. So many. And will comb my books and see what to give her. Anybody want Vampire Sextet? I'm getting rid of that book. It was ok to read once but I don't want to read it again.
Christy S (tinymonster) Fri 28 May 04 14:18
Zen Cohen (tinymonster) Fri 28 May 04 14:24
Mary, good thinking about the archaic language. I should probably think of books I liked at a slightly younger age, since reading was never a problem for me. (How cool that Holley can get input from a teacher with your sort of experience!) Walter Farley -- Oh, he did the _Black Stallion_! I had that book, and also _Thunder_ (can't find the author), which was based on a TV show about another black horse. (So was _Fury_, based on a 50's show, but I can't find that one either.) I couldn't quite get into _Black Beauty_ or _Misty of Chincoteague_, though. Maybe some of Twain's stuff has "formal language," but _Huck Finn_ would be hard to understand for the opposite reason! Will -- Did I wish you a happy birthday at the time? If not, Happy Belated Birthday! I used to *love* Roald Dahl -- especially the Willy Wonka books. (I didn't even see the movie until years later.) And yes, I was thinking of _Stardust_, too. And though I can't say what it's like read aloud, I would definitely recommend the illustrated version over the non-. It adds a whole other dimension to the story that I think is essential. Authors I couldn't resist around ages 9 thru 11, when I loved reading the most: Beverly Cleary (though most of the Quimby books were written from Ramona's point of view, it was _Beezus and Ramona_, written from Beezus's POV, that snagged the heart of this big sister) Astrid Lindgren (of Pippi Longstocking fame, but she had many other great series) Laura Ingalls Wilder Maud Hart Lovelace (of Betsy, Tacy, and Tib) Carolyn Haywood (Betsy books) P.L. Travers (Mary Poppins books) And even now, I'm more inclined to read a book if it's humorous. (Yeah, I know Holley has already left for the weekend, but anyone can predict what will happen when you ask this group about books!)
Zen Cohen (tinymonster) Fri 28 May 04 15:17
Wow! Neil! You look _really_ handsome in those photos (http://www.neilgaiman.com/journal/2004/05/it-looked-moodier-once-candles-burne d.asp & http://www.neilgaiman.com/journal/2004/05/why-i-cant-die-before-halloween-phot o.asp). You remind me of a very good-looking college professor or something. (The coffin ones kind of give me a bad moment, though. Try not to show those to your parents, man, or they'll freak.) Of course, the TV technician in me is thinking of what a bugger they must have been to light, especially with you all in black. Oh, right, it's Fox MOVIE Channel, not a real channel. So much for my getting to see it. But thanks for posting photos. Get-well wishes to poor Fred. Sheesh, that cat does NOT play well with others. BTW, I finished screening _Neverwhere_ for my mom a few nights ago, and of course she loved it! She said to tell you that her favorite line was, "You are all very stupid people and you do not know anything," as delivered by Earl Cameron. <g> All -- Have a good Memorial Day Weekend!
Michelle Larson (miss-mousey) Mon 31 May 04 11:11
Only just skimming posts and jumping back into the fray here. Hi! How is everyone? -squeaks
Zen Cohen (tinymonster) Tue 1 Jun 04 07:04
Hi, Mrs. Larson!
Dodge (clotildes) Tue 1 Jun 04 07:43
Yeah. Those are good suggestions. I think the next books I give her will be a start on the Pratchett children's books. Like Truckers, Diggers, Wings and the Johnny books and Maurice and Wee Free Men and Hat Full of Sky. After that, it'll be anything I can find on my shelf she might like. I've all the Clemens books. And the Black and Flame books from Farrel. I never could get into Black Beauty myself. Then, The Wrinkle in Time and Wonka etc. I actually own quite a lot of books it looks like that can be given to a girl to read.
Zen Cohen (tinymonster) Tue 1 Jun 04 08:03
I've been astonished the last few years to find how much I like children's books!
Sharon Lynne Fisher (slf) Tue 1 Jun 04 08:34
>Farrell Farley. I've been collecting some children's books lately, ones I was fond of as a child. Sometimes I just remember something and then go out on half.com, amazon, and ebay to hunt it down (I have a complete collection of Farley, the 'Ginnie' books, Laura Ingalls Wilder, etc.) and sometimes I'm rummaging through a garage sale or library sale and I'll stumble across something and go whoa! I remember this! Most recently, I went to a giant book store in Nampa (the second biggest city in Idaho, sort of like the Oakland to Boise's San Francisco), and ran across an old reader called More Streets and Roads. The name rang a bell and I flipped through it. It was one of the books my teacher had given me in second grade when it was obvious that I was way beyond the stuff they were giving us to read. At that same store I also found a lot of the Bobbsey Twins books in the green bindings, before everything became a 'mystery.'
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