Tell your piteous heart there's no harm done. (krome) Tue 8 Aug 06 23:37
The only salon type group I've heard of in SF was said to include Lawrence Ferlinghetti and an owner of Enrico's(I just remembered that this was a public forum so I omit the one name). I have met both of these and both have seen(and one has hung) my art and yet I have not been asked to join the group nor, in the latter case to hang again, though I have sent slides of new work. This is what I am up against; an enclosed system. The question is; do I have the time and is it worth the time to try to open the SF scene? The other question is;do I suck so bad that even the bar owner who hung my stuff doesn't want to hang anymore? I have reasons to believe the latter is not true ....Soooooo....WTF? Why don't we have people canvasinng SF for new talent? Because they are lazy and comfortable in Marin or San Jose or Monterey? Probably the latter.
Ted Orland (tedorland) Tue 8 Aug 06 23:42
Re David's post (#125)... In my experience, the only thing thats needed vis-à-vis the depth or content of group discussions is PARITY among the particpants. I attend one group where the conversation centers almost entirely around technical demos of digital photography software, and the people who attend are happy as clams doing exactly that. Those who are driven up the walls by such techie stuff have long since left the building. At another artists group I enjoy, work receives only praise, never criticism -- its a support group in the simplest and most literal sense of the word, and the one time someone tried to introduce heavy-duty analysis into the discussion, he soon retreated under a hail of dead cats. And the little Salon Ive mentioned before well, any subject and any art is a fair target, and woe to the bearer of unexamined propositions! But the point is, we each self-select the people and ideas and the format of life that suit us best -- and that, I think, is about as it should be....
putting your geek boots on (marvy) Wed 9 Aug 06 04:29
Wow, so you're in three different Artists' Groups? How do you find time to , you know, make any art?
Kindness does not require an infrastructure (chrys) Wed 9 Aug 06 08:27
Who said Ted doesn't make work *at* these meetings?
Ted Orland (tedorland) Wed 9 Aug 06 08:35
Well, each is just an evening among friends, once a month or so. And by adding the (self-imposed) challenge of having some new art to show each time, I probably make more work -- and bring that work to closure sooner -- than if I were just loping along without those friendly deadlines.
putting your geek boots on (marvy) Wed 9 Aug 06 11:19
Ted Orland (tedorland) Wed 9 Aug 06 13:41
Well, as I think about it yes, I have made actual art (defined as: photos-that-made-it-to-the-mountboard) at artists group gatherings and workshops. Some very high proportion of the portraits I've made fall into that category -- including, among others, a portrait of Chris Carroll that I made at Penland a quarter-century ago. Also, some artists groups (and many workshops) meet in the field with easels or cameras at the ready, thus offering incentive and subject matter and feedback all at once. It was on just such an occasion that I made my soon-to-be-world-famous technical breakthrough -- namely, proving that a zip-lock plastic baggie makes a perfectly good underwater housing for a Holga (at least to swimming pool depth). But I digress. Its even more true that Ive made art at workshops while ostensibly demonstrating use of filters or some such thing. One of my pics thats been widely seen -- One-and-a-Half Domes, Yosemite was made in exactly that circumstance.
Kindness does not require an infrastructure (chrys) Wed 9 Aug 06 14:10
"a zip-lock plastic baggie makes a perfectly good underwater housing for a Holga " That is exactly the portrait I was thinking of. And you mean to tell me you have a portrait of Chris Carroll from that many years ago????
Ted Orland (tedorland) Wed 9 Aug 06 17:05
Yup. Like I say, the photography world was pretty small back then. The nice part is crossing paths again for the first time since those early days and discovering that we're both still in the game!
Hal Royaltey (hal) Wed 9 Aug 06 17:48
Wow! What a great two weeks! Thanks so much to Ted and Chris for a lively and fascinating talk. Even better, it doesn't have to stop now. You're all welcome to continue the discussion for as long as you like, right here in the Inkwell.
Ted Orland (tedorland) Wed 9 Aug 06 21:31
To all of you whove dropped in and posted your ideas & stories here over the past couple of weeks, my deepest thanks (!) for your interest & goodwill. I found LOTS of good food for thought, collected more than a few gem-like zingers -- and answering your questions brought the added benefit of forcing me to clarify my own thinking on every issue that came up. Thats my idea of a good exchange.
therese (therese) Thu 10 Aug 06 05:11
Thanks, Ted, for your book, your time, your ability to teach, and your willingness to share. Thanks, too, to Chris, for posing such provocative questions and for drawing us all into the conversation. I feel like it just got started.
putting your geek boots on (marvy) Thu 10 Aug 06 05:22
Yeah, thanks to da both of youse!
Ted Orland (tedorland) Thu 10 Aug 06 08:36
Actually, I felt I was finally getting my footing in this mode of exchange just as it drew to a close. It usually takes me hours to write a paragraph, but by the end I was burning up the keyboard (and my snyapses) at the rate of a word a minute -- practically as fast as I can TYPE, given my two-finger hunt&peck technique.
paralyzed by a question like that (debunix) Thu 10 Aug 06 12:58
Thanks for your time and thoughts. I've got some new ideas to take with me when I step out with the camera, and consider what & why I'm trying to get out of it.
Cynthia Dyer-Bennet (cdb) Thu 10 Aug 06 15:32
Ted, if you have the time and inclination you're welcome to stick around and continue. I'm sure the folks here in Inkwell (and those reading from offsite) would be delighted to have you here longer. You're also welcome to drop in on any of our WELL conferences that interest you. May I recommend the <arts.> and <photography.> conferences, for a start!
Ted Orland (tedorland) Thu 10 Aug 06 16:40
Thanks, I will look in here each day, and also hope to explore some other corners of the WELL. (However, I will be away -- exploring the "real world", as they say -- for a few days next week now that the need to stay beside the computer each day for the formal interview has passed.)
Kindness does not require an infrastructure (chrys) Thu 10 Aug 06 18:26
Actually, I think Ted might find <byline.>, <design.> and <words.> interesting too. Plus a couple of independent conferences, such as one for 'Booksellers and related professionals'.
Richard Evans (rje) Sun 13 Aug 06 18:21
And I'll add a belated thanks for a wonderful and illuminating conversation!
Tell your piteous heart there's no harm done. (krome) Tue 15 Aug 06 07:55
Ted, thanks for taking part. I know my 'contribution' was a tad self centered, but art is nothing if not solipsistic.
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