As a member of American Muslim Council and ISNA, I have no choice but
an independent investigation firm to investigate your activities. Have a
Please do. Perhaps you will discover that we are exactly what we
say we are. - Sulayman X
Subject: you are jews
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 03:20:24 EST
DiE in hELL, ISRAELIS. If you claim to be Muslim, the hell fire awaits
The peace of the Lord be with you.
On your page
you feature the site "Answering Islam"
by Jochen Katz.
A Muslim response has recently been put online
I want to ask if you would consider in the interest of
fairness from the same page a link to this response
since Jochen's site is mainly an attack on the Qur'an
and Muslim faith.
The response is found at this page
If everyone had your quality, there would be no humanity. Do you
realize what this means? You + all your gay friends = no life! Go
figure?!?!?! The anus is not made for penetration you fools. You are
prone to anal fistulas and disgusting diseases. Only soft fece is meant
to be in there. Entamebo Histolitica is feasting in you. AIDS awaits
Good Luck and have a nice day.
I am not going to make any comments on the legitimacy of homosexuality.
I will say is that you do not see us, heterosexuals, making web pages
stressing our orientation. You do not see us defining our whole existence
via our sexual orientation. I really am in awe as to why gays don't do the
same. Who cares about your personal lives? Personal lives are supposed to be
personal, why do gays rub them in our faces all the time. Though I am not in
favor of homosexuality, I would treat a gay person based on character, just
as I would a hetero; however, I would really appreciate it if he kept his
"gayness" to himself, as I do my heterosexuality. You don't see us running
around saying "Hi, I am Ali, I am 23 and hetero". The irony then, is that
Gays are making such a fuss of coming out, when Heteros haven't even done
Some comments on your message from a dear friend. She is an American
Muslim living in Cairo.
There is a Bible interpretation that says the crime of Lot's neighbors
was their lack of hospitality and that is what is in fact being
criticized, but our lascivious selves desperately want to find a sin
we are not personally guilty of, hence the focus on homosexuality and
homophobia. Certainly scholars have long found a correlation between
homophobia and populations who were short of people, males in
particular. Greece was short of neither, hence its position. All the
Arab wars made men a real minority (and obviously on the defensive),
hence both multiple marriages and anti homosexuality.
So far I don't yet find a clear positive interpretation of the Quran,
but i read in it a condemnation of anything by force, let alone
anything abusive. Both would of course be a sin even among
heterosexuals and alas force occurs daily perhaps millions of times
through lack of skill, compassion and understanding. No, I don't
count on trying to solve that one!
On the other hand, the wholesale writing off of a sizeable group of
people does not seem worthy of a major religion which espouses love as
its central tenet. The same may be said of Christianity, of course.
We know where God stands, we're merely quibbling about the people,
about ourselves. Indeed that is something we might change and somehow
I feel some responsibility for.
That feeling is directly linked to similar ones about the wholesale
treatment of women, although ironically we are the majority. I take
quite seriously the new testament phrase of Jesus, "if ye have done it
unto the least of these my brethren (or sistren, of course, the
Aramaic was probably siblings, anyway, like the Turkish kardesh), ye
have done it unto me." Christ understood he was saying a tautology,
for he was/is one with all of us and vice versa. More important, he
knew it and practiced it, not content just to believe it or talk about
Not simple, but Metin's practice of connection has certainly removed
few veils in this area. alhamdulillah.
I am totally confused...please reply to my simple question below.
If you say you are muslim and follow the Quran then you must have read
Quran. Do you notice the very clear sentence when ALLAH forbids
It is quite odd that all the trascripts from gay people that call themselves
muslim NEVER address ALLAH's clear forbiddance of homosexuality. I wonder
if any of them have read the Quran.
Did you just skip that section of the Quran or do you purposely just
it. Please explain. Isn't that like a person who calls him/herself muslim
but loves to eat pork or a person who calls him/herself muslim but
Sorry, perhaps you could point the "sentence" where homosexuality
is clearly forbidden. Are you talking about "exceeding the bounds"? What
are the bounds? The bounds of what? - Sulayman X
Salaam and hello,
To be quite honest, I was really shocked to find a web site like
one. I had never thought that there were Muslims who thought
homosexuality to be okay. I was browsing the web trying to find an
answer to a question (BTW, if anybody can tell me about references that
talk about where Eve comes from in Islam, whether she was created from
dust or from Adam's rib, I'd appreciate it ;) ) when I actually found
a gay Muslim category. Imagine my surprise. :)
What do I think about it? Well, I think you're wrong, but that's
really not important, is it? I guess I'm one of those fundamentalist,
narrow-minded Muslims of yours who believes that the Qur'an is literally
accurate. You can think I'm blind, illogical, or whatever, and that's
okay with me. You'd be surprised how many people would agree with you.
(Or maybe you wouldn't be surprised. ;-) )
But just because I think you're wrong doesn't mean I hate you, or want
to kill you or anything. ;) I understand that you've probably gone
through a tremendous amount of pain, and I emphathize with your pain, if
not for the reason behind it.
The thing is, I guess I don't think you're evil for having homosexual
tendencies, but I would take exception if you acted on them. (After
all, if I can't commit fornication, why should you be able to? ;) ) I
have a lot of desires that I simply can't act on, because it would be
against Islam. I was suicidal for about a year, and one main thing that
stopped me was the fact that I'd go to Hell if I indeed killed myself.
So I do understand desperation, if not your particular type of
I don't know that arguing that homosexuality doesn't harm anyone is a
valid reason. I certainly can't comprehend why Allah put down many of
the rules that He did. That doesn't mean I can disobey them if I want.
Why can't we eat pork? Although trichinosis was a problem centuries
ago, it's not any longer. The agrument that pigs are filthy doesn't
really hold up, as they only roll around in mud to cool down. (They
don't have sweat glands, and would choose water if available) The
concept that they eat garbage is rather flawed - they eat it because
that's all we'll *give* them. If given a choice, experiments have
proven that they'll pick fresh food each time.
Given all that, I can't really see why we can't eat pork today. But I
don't. Because Allah has reasons that I don't understand. I am a
vertible *peon*, and I think I can comprehend His mind? I don't think
so. He said we couldn't eat pork, and so I won't.
Blind faith, you say? Perhaps, but that's the way I am. I believe
homosexuality is wrong, so if I ever did desire another female, that's
as far as it would go. I don't think Allah would punish me for feelings
(you would not *believe* how many times I've thougth about screaming at
my mom and didn't. ;-) That's not to say I *didn't* scream at her, but
not nearly as much as I *thought* about it. ) I get crushes on guys,
but it never goes anywhere, I never tell them about it, and it's just
part of my interior feelings. Just because I have a crush on someone
doesn't mean I'm compelled to have sex with them, or even go out with
them. (And I realize that you're celibate, and good for you for that.
It's not up to me to tell you how to live your live. For crying out
loud, I'm not exactly a model Muslim myself. I'd be a tad hypocritical
if I critized you from some ivory tower somewhere. But it seems that
you do invite responses.
If I met you, I don't think I would be hostile to you - after all, I
come in contact with gays and lesbians all the time at school, and I
don't think they have cause to complain about my behavior. And it's not
as if you're the only Muslim who's a bit. . .unorthodox. In any case,
it's not my job to pronounce judgement on anyone - too much
I hope I didn't greatly offend you. These are simply my beliefs, and
I'm not going to come after you with a torch and stake because you
disagree with me. I'd appreciate a response, but I realize that you get
somewhere in the neighborhood of 6 trillion messages, so if you can't,
Okay - I know this message is gigundous. (Once I get going, it's
difficult to stop myself.) Sorry about the length. :-) And I wish you
good luck, and hope that you've found peace with yourself and Allah.
Sadia Syed "Science without conscience is
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I have read some of the comments posted by other readers and at this point
believe that you are not going to shift your ground. However, let me again
remind that what you are practising is clearly against the teachings of
Islam. I think you know that too well to ignore it. God created us equal
but we differ as individuals. Some people go through life easy, some don't.
I think you get the picture. Everybody has his or her own 'tests' to
tackle. Homosexuality is one of them. As we head towards the LAST DAY, we
see that the world is rapidly evolving. And homosexuality is nothing new.
It is evolving also. You are a fine example.
My point here is ; have you ever taken homosexuality as a test from Allah?
If you have, the next best thing to do is to jihad against it, not for it.
It can be done. It has been done.
I am writing here because I do not want you to confuse the people who want
to change themselves. Clinically, homosexuality is not a disease. Research
has shown that homosexuality isn't cause by a genetic disorder but rather a
disorder in upbringing which includes abuse and lack of parental support. I
hope that you deal with your own true feelings and try to uncover the veils
that are destroying your faith if you are the Muslim you claim to be.
A couple things: if you're going to cite "research" then please specify
who and what and so on -- as you said, let's not confuse people by repeating
things that aren't true (which you have). Secondly, I would appreciate
your not making comments about my "faith" since it is something you know
nothing about. I have, in fact, "dealt with my own true feelings" and the
outcome was the discovery that I was a homosexual. That did not destroy
my faith, but people like you are a different story. - Sulayman X
I was shocked and horrified when reading your site, but it has nothing
to do with the creators, I was shocked at the crude, hateful, and
ignorant comments my fellow Muslims would write to you! Its comments
like those which make me ashamed of the way Muslims make Islam seem like
a hateful, and non-accepting religion...this truly disgusts me!
I am a Muslim and I ALSO am a huge supporter of Gays and Lesbians, now
I'm only 14 but it is my understanding Allah does not impose hate on
anyone...and the sin I see in most comments made on your letters page,
is discrimmination and hatred towards a fellow human being! To the
maker of this site...I have a great deal of respect for you and all I
can say is be true to yourself and Allah...and never forget the TRUE
meaning of Islam, peace, love and understanding. Inshallah, as we as a
society progress, so will the narrow minded thought process of Muslim
Anonymous 14, Canada
I AM AFRAID TO GIVE YOU ANY KIND OF GREETING BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE
EXACTLY WHO YOU ARE. LIKE MANY OTHER MUSLIMS I BELEIVE YOU TO BE
ANOTHER JEALOUS JEW OR CHRISITIAN TRYING TO DISTORT THE TEACHINGS OF
ISLAM AND FOR THAT REASON I WILL NOT GREET YOU IN ANYWAY.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, AS AN AFRICAN AMERICAN, THAT I AM OFFENDED THAT
HAVE COMPARED YOUR "CHOICE" TO BECOME A FAGGOT TO THAT STRUGGLE OF
MALCOM AND OUR RACE. "IT IS NOT A COMPARISON AT ALL".
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MENTION AS A MUSLIM I ALSO FIND IT EVEN MORE
APPUALING THAT YOU WOULD EVEN SUGGEST THAT IT IS OKAY TO BE GAY OR THAT
ALLAH (SWT) HAS MADE ANY TYPE OF MISTAKE. YOU ALSO STATED THAT THE
PROPHET (PBUH) PASSED ON FALSE INFORMATION FROM CHRISTIANS, AND JEWS.
BY DISCREDITING WHAT THE PROPHET SAID (PBUH)THIS IN FACT NULLIFIES YOUR
EXISTENCE AS A MUSLIM. AS A MUSLIM I WAS TAUGHT THAT WE ARE TO BELIEVE
IN ALLAH AND THE LAST DAY AND TO BELIEVE IN HIS MESSENGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PLEASE STOP USING ISLAM TO PACIFY YOUR SICKNESS. I WOULD REALLY HATE TO
SEE YOU BURN IN HELL BECAUSE OF A SIMPLE MISUNDERSTANDING.
HOMOSEXUALITY IS FATAL IN EVERY WAY YOU LOOK AT IT. IF ALLAH INTENDED
FOR MAN AND MAN, OR WOMAN AND WOMAN TO BE TOGETHER THEN HOW COULD WE
CONTINUE TO REPLENSIH THE EARTH?
PLEASE SEARCH FURTHER, EVEN THOUGH I BELIEVE YOU ARE A JEW PLAYING SICK
GAMES I STILL DO NOT WANT TO SEE YOU BEGGING ME FOR WATER WHEN THAT DAY
COMES AND BELIEVE ME IT WILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh dear, another "God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve!" line
of thinking. Ever heard of asexual reproduction? And I think you're going
to be in for a big surprise when scientists do indeed discover the "gay
gene", which they assuredly will, and which will mean -- exactly as I have
said -- that the debate over homosexuality is very much like the debate
over race. As a white person, I have no cause or just reason to discriminate
against you being an African American; as a heterosexual, you have no right
to discriminate against me being a homosexual. I suggest that you "search
further" and look more deeply into your own heart and figure out why it
is that you do not like homosexuals. - Sulayman X
I'd like to start a dialogue regarding your crusade. No swearing, no
nonsense, no gimmics, just plain and simple straight forward Dawa. My
Dawa is this "The Times will Change One hundredthousand times however
the Quran Will Never change" . There is a Quranic Ayat i wish to address
you along with my dawa that i'm sure you will find very interesting.
Please go ahead. - Sulayman X
Well, I must say I was quite surprised to find this. I've spent
years arguing with friends and morons on the bus about Islam. Most
Americans' vision of a muslim is simply a raving loony. I try to
remind people that when our ancestors will still living in houses
made of straw, clay and dung, Muslims were building Alhambra.
"But what about the status of women?" they ask me. "And you!
gay! How can you defend Islam and be gay." They secretly fear I'll
covert, I suspect. My study of middle-eastern history alarms them
more, and they fear one thing most of all: ana atakallum al@arabiyya
qaliilan. (Of course, I can recite some nice erotic poetry in
Classical Greek, too. :)
When I saw this page, I was heartened. Here was a page that dared
suggest we use the minds given to us to actually think! I'd hoped
to use this as rhetorical ammunition. Unfortunately, the comments
section will only suggest to my friends the raving loony image of
Islam, and I'm trying to avoid that.
I'll never be Muslim: why join the umma when it clearly has no
interest in me? My rejection of Christianity was in part motivated
by this same issue, never mind the whole concept of the Trinity.
But I sometimes wonder what the world would be like if this religious
ferver so many spend on such virulent hate were put to some other,
more benign purpose... (So, no dhimmi status for me! :)
I think I'll always defend Islam against false accusations, just as
I defend other religions, without believing in any of them. But I'll
defend my right to exist, and to live my life as my own conscience
dictates as well. My life took most order, and I became most happy
when I finally rejected religion. I am not so cynical, nor such an
avid atheist to fail to realize that this comes at a cost.
I wish you well in this struggle. I hope some day the House of
will be big enough to hold you. Being civil might be a good start. :)
If this page does any good at all, if it makes one more person think,
if it keeps just one kid from total despair, in my mind it has
served a very high goal indeed. Sulayman is to be commended, even
if you disagree with him.
Well, this is hardly my best writing, but I felt I had to say
something, doubtless since I've been thinking about the role of Islam
and Christianity in the modern world a lot recently.
I suppose I have the small comfort of knowing I was more lucid than
some people compelled to respond...
p.s. Please, if you feel hate mail is necessary, spare me the
tedium... make it interesting.
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Here is the collection of alledged internal contradictions:
And it just doesn't add up: (*) Sura 4:11-12 and 4:176 state the Qur'anic
inheritance law. If a man dies and leaves three daughters, his two parents
and his wife then they will receive the respective shares of 2/3 for the 3
daughters together, 1/3 for the parents together [both according to verse
4:11] and 1/8 for the wife [4:12] which adds up to more than the estate
available. A second example is, that when a man leaves only his mother, his
wife and two sisters, then they receive 1/3 [mother, 4:11], 1/4 [wife, 4:12]
and 2/3 [the two sisters, 4:176], which again adds up to 15/12 of the
The shares refered to have always been understood as relative shares
than absolute shares. Consequently calculation is done by proportions. For
example we may have relative shares that add up to more than one 1/3 +2/3
+1/8 =9/8. If that happens then that estate is divided appropriately as
1/3*8/9 , 2/3*8/9 , 1/8*8/9. For situations where the proportions add up to
less than 1 they get a proportionate increase. The diminutions as well as
the additions are well recognised and have been easily understood since the
beginning of Islam. There are two technical terms for them ‘awl and
How many angels were talking to Mary? (*) When the Qur'an speaks about
announciation of the birth of Jesus to the virgin Mary, Sura 3:42,45 speaks
about (several) angels while it is only one in Sura 19:17-21.
Firstly Sura 3:42,45 refers to angels and Sura 19:17-21 refers to
‘ruh’. ‘ruh’ is understood to be Gabriel from Hadith
and other parts of Qur’an. A simple explanation is that a group of
angels came and a their spokesman announces the good news.
Further numerical discrepancies (*) Does Allah's day equal to 1,000
years (Sura 22:47, 32:5) or 50,000 human years (Sura 70:4)?
Firstly, these numbers are allegorical and meant to impress on the reader
great length of time, they are not meant to be mathematicaly exact. Secondly
the last reference refers specifically to the day of judgement whereas first
two references don’t and so they are talking about different things.
(There may be some confusion about 32:5 since Yusuf Ali adds details that
aren’t there in the Arabic)
--- How many gardens are there in paradise? ONE [as stated in 39:73,
57:21, 79:41] or MANY [18:31, 22:23, 35:33, 78:32]?
The Garden is the name of the entire abode of the blessed. Inside this
are smaller gardens and individuals may have one or more of them. This has
been covered by Abdel Haleem in "Context and Internal Relationships - Keys
to Qur’anic Exegisis" in Hawting & Sherrif Approaches to the
--- According to Sura 56:7 there will be THREE distinct groups of people
the Last Judgement, but 90:18-19, 99:6-8, etc. mention only TWO groups. ---
One group are the 'Kafirun' (disbelievers) and then there are two classes
believers, those who are brought near to God and the ordinary believers. The
first verse cited defines the groups and the latter verses merely mention
two of the groups. For an in depth explanation see the article mentioned
above (Approaches to the Qur’an).
There are conflicting views on who takes the souls at death: THE Angel
Death [32:11], THE angels (plural) [47:27] but also "It is Allah that takes
the souls (of men) at death." [39:42]
Using this type of reasoning one would have to conclude that King James
wrote the King James Version of the Bible! The references given clearly mean
the Angel of Death or Angels of Death who are acting under orders of Allah.
Angels have 2, 3, or 4 pairs of wings [35:1]. But Gabriel had 600 wings.
[Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 455]
Verse 35:1 goes on imediately to say that ‘ He increases in
creation whatever he wishes’ this implies that number of pair of wings
is as many as Allah wishes. There is no contradiction.
Six or eight days of creation? (*) Sura 7:54, 10:3, 11:7, and 25:59
state that God created "the heavens and the earth" in six days. But in
41:9-12 the detailed description of the creation procedure adds up to eight
This is only if you add the different references to days. There are
ways in which these days could be overlapping. I could for example say "I
built a house in 2 days and I completed the roof in a day." To insist that
these things took 3 days is forcing a contradiction which simply isn’t
Heavens or Earth? Which was created first? (*) First earth and then
[2:29], heaven and after that earth [79:27-30].
Verse 2:29 does not refer to creation as such but the process of
proportioning it. Nor does 79:27-30 refer to creation. Moreover, in neither
verses is there any clear indication of chronological ordering.
Calling together or ripping apart? (*) In the process of creation heaven
earth were first apart and are called to come together [41:11], while 21:30
states that they were originally one piece and then ripped apart.
Verse 21:30 does not imply come together. The word together simply isn't
there and isn't implied by the Arabic. The phrase is perfectly well rendered
in English with ‘come into being’. More generally there are
several stages to creation, the big bang and the formation of galaxies and
planets are two processes. First there is the ripping appart and then there
is the coming together.
What was man created from? (*) A blood clot [96:1-2], water [21:30,
25:54], "sounding" (i.e. burned) clay [15:26], dust [3:59, 30:20, 35:11],
nothing [19:67] and this is then denied in 52:35, earth [11:61], a drop of
thickened fluid [16:4, 75:37]
The word translated as 'created' is misunderstood here. It is better
translate khalaqa as ‘made’ in many instances. There are several
stages to creation (71:14) through which man went and still goes through in
the womb. It is well understood that one stage of creation of man follows
another. The stages are well recognised in the sciences of embriology and
evolution. (nb. Reference to ‘nothing’ is more clearly put as
‘when you did not exist’.)
Will there be inquiry in Paradise? (*) "neither will they question one
another" [23:101] but nevertheless they will be "engaging in mutual inquiry"
[52:25], "and they will ... question one another" [37:27].
Verse 23:101 refers to Judgement day when people have been resurrected
are waiting for Judgement. They are too occupied with there own fate to
question one another. Read verse 23:102.
Are angels protectors? (*) "NO protector besides Allah" [2:107, 29:22].
in Sura 41:31 the angels themselves say: "We are your protectors in this
life and the Hereafter." And also in other suras is their role described as
guarding [13:11, 50:17-18] and protecting [82:10].
Verse 41:31 says that the angels are friends. Verses 13:11, 50:17-18
82:10 says that angels are watchful recorders. Please use the Arabic - these
problems are only in the translations.
Is everything devoutly obedient to Allah? (*) That is the claim in 30:26,
but dozens of verses speak of the proud disobedience of Satan [7:11,
15:28-31, 17:61, 20:116, 38:71-74, 18:50] as well of many different human
beings who reject His commands and His revelations.
This is a question of free will. See this link.....
Does Allah forgive shirk? (*) This is the worst sin and Allah can't
decide if he will ever forgive it or not. No [4:48, 116], Yes [4:153,
25:68-71]. And Abraham committed this sin of polytheism as he takes moon,
sun, stars to be his Lord [6:76-78] and still Muslims believe that all
prophets are without any sin.
Shirk (associating partners with God) is essentially different from
other sins in that all other sins can be forgiven without even repentance.
For example many small sins in life are forgiven simply through the
performing the daily prayers and more generally good deeds erase the bad
(e.g. returning stolen property). Allah forgives shirk only if the person
sincerely repents and changes his ways. In repenting for shirk you must have
stopped committing this sin, because the very act of repentance itself, if
true, is a rejection of shirk. As such it only the sin of shirk which
absolutely requires repentance. As regards Abraham he became a prophet only
following his rejection of shirk. I'm not sure where you get the idea that
all prophets are without any sins. The Qur'an makes clear that at least some
of them have committed some small sins.
The event of worship of the golden calf: (*) The Israelites repented
worshipping the golden calf BEFORE Moses returned from the mountain [7:149],
yet they refused to repent but rather continued to worship the calf it until
Moses came back [20:91]. Does Aaron share in their guilt? No [20:85-90], yes
Verse 20:91 is a statement of intent by the Isralites, it is not an
historical event. Aaron [20:85-90] tried to prevent the idolatry (which you
interpret as demonstrating his innocence) and then Moses thinks that Aaron
has not done enough to prevent it. There is no contradiction here!
Moses and the Injil? (*) Jesus is born more than 1,000 years after Moses,
but in 7:157 Allah speaks to Moses about what is written in the Injil [the
book given to Jesus].
The Qur’an switches from Allah speaking to Moses to a general
statement for all people. To insist that the general statement is also part
of the statement given to Moses is simply contrived.
Can slander of chaste women be forgiven? (*) Yes [24:5], No [24:23].
Verses 24:4-5 are declares forgiveness for those who have repented and
changed their ways. Verse 24:23 is refering to those who haven’t
repented. It is well understood in interpreting Arabic texts generally that
an unqualified statement should be understood in the same way as a qualified
statement dealing with the same subject. This is a rule in Islamic
jurisprudence and this issue is a case in point. I might say "Theft is
wrong" and most people would agree with this. I might also say "Theft is
wrong except when it is the only way to avoid starving" and again most
people would agree with me. The first is a general statement and the second
adds an exception. There could only be a contradiction if the first
statement had ruled out all exception by saying explicitly "All theft is
wrong". For anyone who doesn't understand this I suggest you read any
elementary book on logic.
How do we receive the record on Judgment Day? (*) On Judgement day the
people are given the Record (of their bad deeds): Behind their back [84:10],
or in their left hand [69:25].
I can easily be taken in their left hand and behind their back. Can
see a contradiction here???
Can angels disobey? (*) No angel is arrogant, they all obey Allah
[16:49-50], but: "And behold, we said to the ANGELS: 'Bow down to Adam'. And
THEY bowed down, EXCEPT Iblis. He refused and was haughty." [2:34].
Iblis was not an angel. This follows a principle in classical Arabic
which there is a well established grammatical category on
‘exceptions’. For example it is possible to say something like "
All the people left except a dog". This verse employs a use of the Arabic
word translated as ‘except’. It would be more suitable in
English to translate this as a new sentance: "All the people left. Only a
Three contradictions in 2:97 and 16:101-103 (*) Who brings the revelation
from Allah to Muhammad? The ANGEL Gabriel [2:97], or the Holy Spirit
The ‘ruh’ or holy spirit is known from hadith to
They are not 2 separate entities.
The new revelation confirms the old [2:97] or substitutes it [16:101]?
The word used in 2:97 means the whole of revelation in general which
confirmed, whereas the word in 16:101 refers to specific verses or stages of
revelation suitable to the developing circumstances. For instance the
Muslims were at one time ordered to be patient in the face of oppression and
at another time they were ordered to defend themselves.
The Qur'an is PURE Arabic [16:103] but there are numerous foreign,
non-Arabic words in it.
The Qur’an does not say ‘pure Arabic’
it says ‘clear
Arabic’. All languages include imported words. For a trivial example
"I’ve studied algebra." uses the Arabic word algebra - this is never
the less an English sentance.
The infinite loop problem (*) Sura 26:192,195,196: "It (the Qur'an)
indeed a revelation from the Lord of the Worlds, ... in clear Arabic speech
and indeed IT (the Qur'an) is in the writings of the earlier (prophets)."
Now, the 'earlier writing' are the Torah and the Injil for example, written
in Hebrew and Greek. HOW can an ARABIC Qur'an be contained in a books of
other languages? Furthermore, if would have to contain this very passage of
the Qur'an sinc the Qur'an is properly contained in them. Hence these
earlier writings have to be contained in yet other earlier writings and we
are in an infinite loop, which is absurd.
It’s the general meanings that are in the previous writings
Judgement, prophets, not lying about others, not speaking from ignorance etc
- These principles are in previous writings as well as in the Qur’an
"An old woman" and God's character (*) About the story of Lot: "So we
delivered him and his family, - all exept an old woman who lingered behind."
[Sura 26:170-171] And again: "But we saved him and his family, exept his
wife: she was of those who lagged behind. [Sura 7:83]. Either this is a
contradiction or if indeed Lot's wife is derogatorily called "an old woman"
then this does not show much respect for her as a wife of a prophet.
Unfortunately the translation as ‘old woman’ coupled
disrespect for elderly people common these days give the phrase in English a
derogatory sense. This is not at all implied in the Arabic - rather it
implies experience through which she should have known better. It is
therefore a form of complement similar to the word ‘Shiekh’
which literally means old man but has come to mean someone who is has good
knowledge of Islam.
More problems with the story of Lot (*) "And his people gave NO answer
this: They said, "Drive them out of your city: these are indeed men who want
to be clean and pure!" [Sura 7:82 & 27:56]. Yet: "But his people gave NO
answer but this: They said: "Bring us the Wrath of Allah if thou tellest the
truth." [Sura 29:29]. Obviously these answers are different.
There could be more than one person responding with these phrases and
could be several instances where they talked. Why do you insist on only one
event and one phrase spoken?
The "pleasure" of Allah? (*) Is God's action of punishment or mercy
guidance or misguidance arbitrary?
This is due to mistranslating the word sha’Allah as ‘
pleases’ whereas it means ‘(as) Allah wills’.
Did Abraham smash the idols? The accounts of Abraham, Suras 19:41-49,
6:74-83 differ quite a bit from Sura 21:51-59. While in Sura 21 Abraham
confronts his people strongly, and even destroys the idols, in Sura 19
Abraham shuts up after his father threatens him to stone him for speaking
out against the idols. And he seems not only to become silent, but even to
leave the area ("turning away from them all").
These are two separate events.
What about Noah's son? According to Sura 21:76, Noah and all his family
saved from the flood. But Sura 11:42-43 reports that Noah's son drowns.
It doesn’t say all his family but simply ‘his family’.
detail that his son was not saved is tackled in the longer more detailed
passage this is hardly a contradiction. Here again the principle of the
unqualified statement being qualified in other parts of the Qur’an.
See the answer to the point above on "chaste women" Please also note that if
you had read just a few verses further the verses 11:45-46 strongly assert
that the 'family' of Noah doesn't include his son because of his behaviour.
These verses emphasise that the concept of 'family' is not narrowly defined
as all those with blood relations.
Was Noah driven out? "Before them *the people of Noah* rejected (their
messenger): They rejected Our servant and said, 'Here is One possessed!' And
he was driven out." [Sura 54:9] Now, if he is driven out [expelled from
their country] how come they can scoff at him while he is buiding the ark
since we read "Forthwith he (starts) constructing the Ark: Every time that
the Chiefs of *his people* passed by him, they threw ridicule on him." [Sura
11:38] He cannot be both: Driven out and near enough that they can regularly
Verse 54:9 says that Noah was spoken to harshly or scorned. He was not
‘driven out’ and there is no way you an can reasonably
understand this verse to mean ‘driven out from their country’.
Pharaoh's repentance in the face of death? (*) According to Sura 10:90-92,
Pharaoh repented "in the sight of death" and was saved. But Sura 4:18 says
that such a thing can't happen.
Repentance at the point of death is not accepted. Pharaoh was not forgiven.
His body was preserved - nothing more than that.
Abrogation? "The words of the Lord are perfect in truth and justice;
is NONE who can change His words." [Sura 6:115] Also see 6:34 and 10:65. But
then Allah (Muhammad?) sees the need to exchange some of them for "better
ones" [Sura 2:106, 16:101]. And it is not for ignorant people to question
Allah because of such practices!
The verses talk about different things. Verses 2:106 and 16:101 talk
‘Ayah’ which means messages or signs. In contrast to this 6:34,
10:64 (your verse number is wrong here) and 6:115 all talk about
‘Kalimaat’ or literally the word or words which means what Allah
decrees which none can change.
Guiding to truth? "Say: 'God - He guides to the truth; and which is
to be followed ...?" [Sura 10:35] But how much is left over of this
worthiness when we also read: "Allah leads astray whom he pleases, and he
guides whom He pleases, ..." [Sura 14:4]. And how do we know in which of
Allah's categories of pleasure we fall? How sure can a Muslim be that he is
one of those guided right and not one of those led astray?
This is firstly NOT whom He pleases but rather whom He wills. This also
to be read in conjunction with verse 2:26- " ...But He leads astray only the
wicked. Those who break God’s covenant after it is ratified and break
apart what God has ordered to be joined and do mischief on the earth."
What is the punishment for adultery? Flogging with a 100 stripes (men
women) [24:2], "confine them to houses until death do claim them (lifelong
house arrest - for the women) [4:15]. For men: "If they repent and amend,
leave them alone" [4:16]. 24:2 contradicts both the procedure for women and
men in Sura 4. And why is the punishment for women and men equal in Sura 24
but different in Sura 4?
Surah 4 is talking about something different from surah 24. There is
difference between ‘Zina’ which means adultery and
‘fahisha’ which means gross indecency (eg stripping naked or
'being lewd' in public)
Will Christians enter Paradise or go to Hell? (*) Sura 5:69 says "Yes",
5:72 (just 3 verses later) says "No".
Verse 5:69 refers to those Christains who believe in God and the day
judgement and do good deeds. Anyone who ‘believes’ means believe
without associating partners with God. Verse 5:72 clearly talks about those
who associate partners with Allah.
God alone or also men? Clear or incomprehensible? (*) The Qur'an is
Arabic speech." [16:103] Yet "NONE knows its interpretation, save only
Allah." [3:7]. Actually, "men of understanding do grasp it." [3:7]
Verse 3:7 is talking only about the allegorical verses whose ultimate
(t’aweel) meaning None knows but Allah. The verse goes on to say: Men
of firm understanding say not that they know this ultimate meaning but
rather ‘We believe in it. It is all from our Lord’.
Was Pharaoh Drowned or Saved when chasing Moses and the Israelites?
[10:93], drowned [28:40, 17:103, 43:55].
His body was preserved (saved). see above
When Commanded Pharaoh the Killing of the Sons? When Moses was a Prophet
spoke God's truth to Pharaoh [40:23-25] or when he was still an infant
These are two separate events. It was his habit and he did it more than
When/how are the fates determined? "The night of power is better than
thousand months. The angels and spirit descend therein, by the permission of
their Lord, with all decrees." [97:3,4] "Lo! We revealed it on a blessed
night." [44:3] To Muslims, the "Night of Power" is a blessed night on which
fates are settled and on which everything relating to life, death, etc.,
which occurs throughout the year is decreed. It is said to be the night on
which Allah's decrees for the year are brought down to the earthly plane. In
other words, matters of creation are decreed a year at a time. Contradicting
this, Sura 57:22 says, "No affliction befalls in the earth or in your
selves, but it is in a Book before we create it." This means it is written
in the Preserved Tablet, being totally fixed in Allah's knowledge before
anyone was created. All of the above is contradicted by "And every man's
fate We have fastened to his own neck." This says that man alone is
responsible for what he does and what happens to him. [17:13]
This idea of fate being decreed yearly may be popular culture in some
of the Muslim world but it cannot be derived from the Qur’an.
Everything is known beforehand to Allah.
Wine: Good or bad? (*) Strong drink and ... are only an infamy of Satan's
handiwork. [5:90, also 2:219]. Yet on the other hand in Paradise are rivers
of wine [47:15, also 83:22,25]. How does Satan's handiwork get into
Wine in paradise need not be anything like the wine we have here. You
compare the two. In paradise the drink which people have does not
intoxicate. See verse 37:47 ‘Free from headiness nor will they suffer
intoxication from it.’
Will all Muslims go to Hell? According to Sura 19:71 every Muslim will
Hell (for at least some time), while another passage states that those who
die in Jihad will go to Paradise immediately.
Verse 19:71 says that every human being (not just Muslims) will pass
Hell (meaning over the bridge above Hell). The good ones will be saved while
the others will fall in to Hell. There is no part of the Qur’an that
says that Martyrs go immediately to Paradise.
Assalamualaikum. Before you read this letter, I hope you will have an
open heart and mind and be prepared as I might offend you. Forgive me if
I do but it is for the best of everyone. First of all, I want to make it
clear that I'm NOT gay but I just want to help you deal with your
problem. When I was in my teens I was confused about my sexuality just
like other teens and I sought help from a counseller. Even the
counseller was a non-Muslim but a Christian and it was a Christian
counselling centre. He advised me that it was a phase in life and it may
have been due to past experiences. My parents were divorced and I lived
most of my life without my father to be there for me. There wasn't a man
in my life to provide love and care for me as I didn't have a brother,
only sisters. However, whatever past you had is no excuse for you to
choose a homosexual life. Only you can decide for yourself. Allah can
only control the birth, death and life partner of a person. The rest is
up to you. God made all human beings, Muslims and Non-Muslims,
heterosexual, straight. There are influences in your environment which
may have led you to think you are a homosexual when in actual fact, you
are not. A person can only be considered a homosexual if he PARTICIPATES
in homosexual acts. If the person has homosexual thoughts, it DOES NOT
make him or her a homosexual. However, something must be done to lead
this person back to the right path. Sure, doing good is always difficult
and doing evil is so easy. That is the nature of human beings, Allah
made them to be born weak. It is mentioned in the Holy Quran that people
who commit sodomy(anal sex) will burn in Hell.(Allah knows best) The
person who is guilty of sodomy will not even come near to Heaven. (Allah
knows best) Now, let's view this issue not from an Islamic perspective.
Can you imagine if everyone in this world were homosexual??? Surely,
everyone will contract AIDS and die. How will life go on in this
universe? Only a man and a woman together can reproduce and bring a
child into this world. If all homosexual couples adopt a child, how many
children will there be left in this world for them to adopt if everybody
decides to turn homosexual? None. All societies, Muslim and non-Muslim,
do not condone homosexuality. Islam, without a doubt, does not condone
I am sure that no matter how long you try to refrain from homosexual
sex, you will eventually do it and indulge in it. When that happens, you
are going against Islam and therefore, Allah.( The Most Merciful and
Most Loving) Allah IS fair and only He knows best of what is right and
what is wrong. You have to TRUST him. I know it is hard for you but you
must face the fact that society does not accept homosexual people. With
the exception of America where all evil begins. Americans may have the
best technologies in the world but can you see how they use it? Cloning,
pornography on the Internet, violence in TV and in movies etc....are you
saying that these are not morally wrong????
They are not only sinful but also make a deep impact among youths of
today. You are a victim but it is not too late to change. Allah will
accept you if you are willing to do yourself a favour, to change for the
better. Scientifically speaking, in magnets, unlike poles (north and
south) attract while like poles (north and north/south and south) repel.
You see, the same is applied in human sexuality. Opposites attract and
people of the same sex do not get attracted to each other. That is and
always will be the nature of human beings unless the person decides to
go against nature. Remember, going against nature means going against
Islam and going against Allah. Islam means the correct way of life, and
homosexuality is definitely NOT the correct way of life. I hope you
think about this carefully and not just think of this letter as a pile
of rubbish. These are facts and words of Allah. Only he knows best. I
ask of you to please remove the webpage you have set up because you are
spreading an incorrect piece of message to people out there. It is
undoubtedly sinful of you to do this. You must sort out your emotional
problems before you send out the wrong message to people out there.
However, if you feel that this is freedom of speech(as the Americans
call it), then I request that you post this letter of mine on the
Internet, on your webpage if possible. If you do it, then that is what I
call FREEDOM OF SPEECH. You have your say and I have my say, that is the
way "freedom of speech" works. I hope you take no offence in my letter
because I took a lot of time and effort to convey these important points
to you. I hope you had accepted them with an open mind. Please reply to
my letter as I am very concerned regarding this growing trend among
Muslims as well as non-Muslims out there becoming homosexual. I want to
help you and these people get back on the right track. On a final note,
remember Allah is always there watching you and, INSYALLAH, he will help
you if YOU yourself are willing to make a change. The first step is to
remove your webpage and think about what you have done. Just remember,
whatever choices you make, it is entirely your decision and ultimately,
you will bear the consequences. I wish you all the best and hope you
have benefitted from reading my letter. Peace be unto you.
>From Muhammad in Singapore
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In your essay you point out
""In 2:29 we are told that the earth was created first, and then the
heavens; but in Sura 79:27, we are assured that the heavens were created
first, and then the earth. These two verses are very distinct and very
clear. Sura 2:29 reads, “He made for you all that lies within the
earth, then turning to the firmament He proportioned several
Sura 79:27 makes it very clear that just the opposite took place. “Are
you more difficult to create or the heavens? He built it, raised it on high,
proportioned it, gave darkness to its night, and brightness to its day; and
afterwards spread out the earth.""
First of all, to be able discuss Quran, one has to be profiient in arabic,
because translations don't do justice. You point out
"you all that lies within the earth"
"afterwards spread out the earth"
Lies within and spread out are two different things.
I am a Muslim and my sexual preference is not men, but I am not judging
anyone either. Only our Creator has the right to make that decision. I
thought just point this out to you.
We all know that in the Qur'an, GOD has specifically mentioned that
are being tested on Earth to see if we deserve to go to Heaven in the
afterlife. So lets assume therefore that being gay is one of the
challenges that GOD has assigned to certain individuals. It is up to
these individuals to succumb to the temptations of homosexual sex or to
work against it. Gay people have to work VERY hard not to follow their
base desires and I think that the purpose of all religion is to make
humans not be slaves to their base desires (shahwat). I think being gay
itself is NOT A SIN, what is condemned are homosexual acts namely
So why are some people gay? Well, we might never know. The latest
scientific research has not come to any conclusion, the nurture-nature
debate will continue.
So what should a gay Muslim do? Well, what the Prophet has recommended
is that single males fast frequently to tone down their libidos. Should
gay Muslims forces themselves to turn straight? Maybe. Well, I know this
is a very contentious issue. But lets assume that being gay is no
different from being greedy, stingy, arrogant or deceitful. The Prophet
has taught us that people who are greedy, stingy, arrogant and deceitful
will not taste Heaven. What should these people do? Well they should ask
GOD for forgiveness and correct their ways. It is VERY difficult for
someone who has always been a tight-wad to start being generous or an
arrogant, successful person to be humble and soft-spoken. It takes
effort and a sincere wanting to be near GOD and follow the Prophet's
teachings. The Qur'an has many more passages warning the stingy,
arrogant, greedy, deceitful and quarrelsome about GOD's wrath than
condemning gay people.
Gay life in not a good alternative. The "tolerant" Western communities
are not really good places for gays either. Gays in many Western nations
are just as preoccupied with casual sex, pornography and entertainment
(drinking, dancing, partying)as straight people. Gays in the West are
not really showing themselves to be better individuals than straight
people. They are not more loving to their "spouses" nor more faithful.
Thus moving back to the gay Muslim individual, he/she should concentrate
on being good Muslims. Avoid all that Allah has warned Muslims against.
Gay Muslims need not force themselves to get married. There are many
other things they can do to serve GOD.
Gay Muslims should also NOT blame GOD or their parents for "turning" or
"making" them gay. There are other Muslims who have been given must
greater challenges from GOD than gay people. If a gay Muslim is angry at
GOD for making life difficult for him, just think, would he rather be
gay and physically normal or straight but blind (for example). Or would
he prefer to be straight but living in a very poor society with no
education, health care, sanitation and proper food?
Dear Sulayman X
I'm a 22 years old (gay) student of sociology, living in Copenhagen,
I am currently doing a project about homosexual immigrants (mostly
from arab countries) in Denmark. When a look at your internet page and
other pages, I only find information about being homosexual people in
the arab countries - nothing about being a homosexual immigrant in
the western world. Could you reccommend me some litterature and/or
web-pages concerning this subject, please?
Thank you very much - yours
I just reviewed your internet papper, I was sad that you never analysed
actions, which you are performing b/c probably you are enjoing it a lot.
Here are some following ?.
1) You will enjoy by cutting your hand, if yes than you ever tried to
2) To have a relationship of a good husband & wife, both have to
responsibilities according to the law (nature) & should not act as a stray
3) You would like, if somebody inform you that your father was/is a gay.
4) If you still like to be a gay, than you should allow lesbian to be
if you are than you would like, if somebody inform you that your mother
was/is a lesbian but you was born b/c some contact b/w your mother & father.
5) Do you know that wether somebody is a muslim or not, he will be punished
in the hell & his grave for his crimes in this world & if he is a non muslim
or a muslim who never accepted his misdeed(eg: rape,homosexulaity or Killing
a innocent person) for forgiveness from Allah in this world, than he will be
punished for ever in the hell after the day of judgement.
Hopefully you will use your wisdom to perform deeds in the future &
forgiveness from Allah with the acceptance of true punishment in this world
b/c even if you continue with your current deeds, you will die & than you
have to pay extra price for your unnecessary way of enjoyment in this world.
Sulayman X, I have written to you on two previous occasions. Both my
e-mails were posted on your site. One remained in the spotlight as
THIS WEEK'S MUSLIM MADNESS. However, today, this is not a hate mail as
I shall not concern myself with the issue of homosexuality.
When I wrote to you previously, you had some witty comments to make
about my letters. However, in two separate places on your site I have
read e-mails by atheists to you. They have ridiculed Islam in a way
that is much more deregatory than what the very famous Salman Rushdie
said in his legendary book. Yet you chose to not only post those
messages but you also kept quiet about them. Was it because they
supported the GAY cause or were you just lazy? If you are as you claim
to be, a Muslim, then why didn,t you tell them a thing or two?
Incidently I am a student at the University of Sussex. Comment.
Comment? Okay, how about "There is no compulsion in matters of religion"?
- Sulayman X
to tell you the truth i am really shocked. this must be the end. you
think that i'm ignorant but i can assure you that i'm not. i realise that
there are alot of homosexuals in this world and you have been around for a
very long time. noe to get to the point, the reason for me shocked is that
you are promoting homosexuality in Islam noe this is somthing i canot grasp.
you might be thinking how i got to your page, i was searchingabout some info
on Islam your tilte with a couple of others came up as sub-topics. Now
common if you have studied Islam or know about Islam then you must know that
there homosexuality is forbidden in Islam and the punishment is death. the
thing is that i'm not sayin your not a Muslim but that fact remains. you
can see for your self in the Qu'ran. the worst thing i find is that being
gay is one thing but to be a proud muslim gay. it don't make sence surely
you can see that. it really doesn't if you feel a certain way then maybe you
should seek refuge in the Almighty. I guess he only has the answers. but you
need want to search for them. but you need to choose what you want. you
can't, being a musilm accept being homosexual, i don't have the authority to
call you a non muslim. but really you are confusing people and maybe young
adult muslims who may think or feel a certain way. to tell them its ok and
its acceptable but in fact your decieving them. and sure the Almighty's
wrath will be apon you for making legal what he has made illegal. i'm not
perfect in anyway but i know when i have done wrong and i do reoent and i
don't tell other muslims to do what i have done knowing full well that i
i hope u sort yourself out and Godwilling you haven't sold your soul
completley to the devil. as you'l have alot to answer for when you die and
that is something you cannot do anything about.
if your just a muslim by name and your from a muslim background or from the
nation of Islam or some other organisation then please change your tiltle.
i am just doin my duty as an orthadox Muslim
We support you big time in your path to HELL
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You misleading bunch of FAGS hope you meet your destination soon, Death
STDs or better yet AIDS.
If Paradise is filled with people like you, I'd rather go to hell.
- Sulayman X
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Just wanted to drop you a line because I saw so many hateful remarks
from so-called Muslims. I'm not gay, and I'm not related to anyone
who's gay, but that doesn't mean that I have anything against you and
the countless others who were born gay. Not all Muslims are hard-core
I wish you happiness and love, just as I wish for my straight brothers
and sisters. Don't people remember that what you do is between you and
Allah. It's none of their business. Just be peaceful and loving and
allow Allah to guide you on the path that's right for you.
Please don't use the return address you see, since I'm not using my
Are you Nation of Islam.
If so please make it clear, as real muslims do not want to be associated
Homosexuality is a sin, as any real muslim would tell you.
No I am not a member of the Nation of Islam. - Sulayman X
FUCK ALL OF YOU
THAT WHAT YOU WANT
The world is going crazy!
Gay muslims on the net.You think that you are muslims?
Do you pray 5 times a day,ramadan and so on? You really do?
I doubt it.Even if you do,you cant have iman.You cant be a muslim just
becouse your parents are.
Real muslim which cryes when he reads Qur`an cant be a gay .
YOU are not muslims!
Hell is pain!
Or perhaps hell is other people. - Sulayman X
Dearest brother who have been mislead into the path of darkness,
My sympathies are with you because you are going to taste hell fire
person. Have you not thought why did Allah created Eve?... If Allah
permitted homosexuality couldn't Allah just created another man for Adam to
have for a companion?. Is it that your education level is so low that u
cannot what understand what Allah did to the ppl of Lut. Allah destroyed
every single one, not one live to tell the tale except the prophet Lut. If
you think you are so right go to Iran or Iraq and ask one of the learned
one, they all reply the same thing homosexuality and lesbianism is HARAM,
read HARAM. You have not done your research and yet dare to publish such
filth, how ignorant you are. You shame islam and you dare go against Allah.
Such blasphemy will end in tears to those who loved you. Please turn back to
the light and to the truth, if you want any help there many ppl outthere
capable of helping you out. Wasalam.